Garden Grill restaurant permanently immobile? No.

dstrawn9889

Well-Known Member
why not purchase a #D printer that works with plastic and metal wire, and just 3d scan the old object and 10 hours later part is ready? i understand if it is a bearing that this would not work, but gears and sections of toothed raceway can be manufactured... and i would think that other than the motor itself, gears and reduction gearbox can be fixed mostly with just fabbing the broken gears and rebuild and repack.
 

EpcoTim

Well-Known Member
An electric motor and some gears. That's what makes something turn.

Motors, gears, bearings......all stuff that could be sourced and even custom fabbed right here in the U.S. in a matter of days with the original spec sheet.

But that would mean some downtime, cancelled reservations and, the big one, loss of the income. Also a loss of capacity, but seeing as Epcot has the highest ride to restaurant ratio, that shouldn't be an issue.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
why not purchase a #D printer that works with plastic and metal wire, and just 3d scan the old object and 10 hours later part is ready? i understand if it is a bearing that this would not work, but gears and sections of toothed raceway can be manufactured... and i would think that other than the motor itself, gears and reduction gearbox can be fixed mostly with just fabbing the broken gears and rebuild and repack.
If it was that easy, every machine shop in the country would have closed up shop by now.

3D printers ,CNC machines and the like are without question the future of manufacturing, but we are a long way from scanning a broken park and then spitting out an exact replacement made from high strength steel.
 

dstrawn9889

Well-Known Member
If it was that easy, every machine shop in the country would have closed up shop by now.

3D printers ,CNC machines and the like are without question the future of manufacturing, but we are a long way from scanning a broken park and then spitting out an exact replacement made from high strength steel.
uhh, are you sure?

Worlds-2nd-3D-Printed-Metal-Gun1-1024x768.jpg

http://www.solidconcepts.com/news-r...rinted-metal-gun-manufactured-solid-concepts/
i would think if it can withstand 1200-1500 FPS muzzle velocity, then printed thicker it would support 20 rpms
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
uhh, are you sure?

Worlds-2nd-3D-Printed-Metal-Gun1-1024x768.jpg

http://www.solidconcepts.com/news-r...rinted-metal-gun-manufactured-solid-concepts/
i would think if it can withstand 1200-1500 FPS muzzle velocity, then printed thicker it would support 20 rpms
Quite sure. You can make a working gun entirely from plastic. The forces are high, but not exceptional and are much different that what is imposed on a gear rotating several tones of metal, wood, french fries and flesh....if that is even what is wrong.
 

FigmentFan3

Well-Known Member
What exactly could be made? No one here actually knows what is wrong with it.
True. It just reminds me of a local park that had a rotating ride have some components break. Granted, an amusement park ride weighs significantly less than the average restaurant, I think anyways, but the parts were made locally and reinstalled. There's not too many components to break on a rotating system,<sarcasm>but I suppose if it's structural, we might as well just throw a strobe light on it and call it a day like a certain other show element. </sarcasm>
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
True. It just reminds me of a local park that had a rotating ride have some components break. Granted, an amusement park ride weighs significantly less than the average restaurant, I think anyways, but the parts were made locally and reinstalled. There's not too many components to break on a rotating system,<sarcasm>but I suppose if it's structural, we might as well just throw a strobe light on it and call it a day like a certain other show element. </sarcasm>
Exactly. I have a feeling that if it was something easier like a gear, it would have already been fixed. While you can't turn one out in the blink of an eye you do not need a month to do it either.

It could also be something as simple as a supply issue. Something like company X has the part for $5k, but it will take a month to get. The machine shop down the street can make one in 2 weeks but they want $25k to do it. I have run into that situation on more than one occasion.
 
Last edited:

danv3

Well-Known Member
Epcot lives and dies by food and beverage. If people are cancelling like you say (and no reason to think otherwise, I sure as heck won't eat there if it doesn't rotate) then I bet that will increase the likelihood that it will be eventually repaired.

If repair is expensive and sales are going down, don't discount the possibility that they simply close the restaurant and leave it vacant. Vacant, formerly utilized spaces are what really define modern Epcot.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Let me tell you how that meeting could go...

Manager: So you want to spend $X on a part for the Garden Grill?

Engineer: Yes.

Manager: Is it broken.

Engineer: No, but it could break.

Manager:When?

Engineer: I don't know, maybe never.

Manager: Will someone get hurt if it does break?

Engineer: No.

Manager: What is the worst case scenario if it breaks?

Engineer: The restaurant will not spin for a month or two while we get/make the part.

Manager: Will the restaurant be able to function as a restaurant?

Engineer: Yes.

Manager: Will we save money by buying the part now?

Engineer: Not likely.

Manager: Wait until it breaks.
And unfortunately the same situation applies to ride show elements.
 

orky8

Well-Known Member
Ever make something "simple" like a gear from scratch, by hand before? It is an insanely time consuming, labor intensive process that can take a considerable amount of time especially if there is not an existing blueprint for said part.

If we knew exactly what part had failed, we might be able to complain about how long it is taking. Without that knowledge, we are just chest thumping.
I don't disagree. My point is people attribute the delay to "overseas" as if that explains it - it does not. The delay is a manufacturing one (assuming the part was ever ordered).
 

dstrawn9889

Well-Known Member
True. It just reminds me of a local park that had a rotating ride have some components break. Granted, an amusement park ride weighs significantly less than the average restaurant, I think anyways, but the parts were made locally and reinstalled. There's not too many components to break on a rotating system,<sarcasm>but I suppose if it's structural, we might as well just throw a strobe light on it and call it a day like a certain other show element. </sarcasm>
weight has nothing to do with gear parts(is that is what is wrong, and i suspect it is either motor or gearing) the weight is held on rollers and bearings, the motor/gearing goesnt bear weight, just rotational force. you can push a playset merry go round, and not have to lift it, right?
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
weight has nothing to do with gear parts(is that is what is wrong, and i suspect it is either motor or gearing) the weight is held on rollers and bearings, the motor/gearing goesnt bear weight, just rotational force. you can push a playset merry go round, and not have to lift it, right?
Weight does have a good bit to do with a gears design. It becomes less of a factor once it is moving, but the gear must be designed to deal with the force of starting and stopping the rotation and the objects mass is an important variable in that equation.
 

monothingie

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop
Premium Member
Has anyone considered that while the part may be trivial to change, you may need to rip up half the restaurant to get to it to change it.
 
Last edited:

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom