Garden Grill character lunch tests

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
So we're focusing on THAT part of my post and not the short rebuttal that blasts a big hole in your corn theory?

Or is this just misdirection from someone who was trained in forum-fu by social media blackbelts?

*bow*

There are several great documentaries you can read on how ethanol mandates are causing global food crises -- one of them is called King Corn. The destabilization in the Mideast recently was largely based on food shortages and spikes in food prices...which is related to 1/3 of the US corn crop being diverted to ethanol.

The information is out there if you care to read it, but drought and ethanol mandates sharply increase our food prices which impacts the prices in ALL restaurants, not just the ones at Disney. Pull up menus from any restaurant chain for this year that have prices included...and then try to do a historic search of menus from previous years for those same restaurants. You will see food prices increasing across the board very dramatically since the ethanol mandates went into effect in the 90s and 2000s.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
There are several great documentaries you can read on how ethanol mandates are causing global food crises -- one of them is called King Corn. The destabilization in the Mideast recently was largely based on food shortages and spikes in food prices...which is related to 1/3 of the US corn crop being diverted to ethanol.

The information is out there if you care to read it, but drought and ethanol mandates sharply increase our food prices which impacts the prices in ALL restaurants, not just the ones at Disney. Pull up menus from any restaurant chain for this year that have prices included...and then try to do a historic search of menus from previous years for those same restaurants. You will see food prices increasing across the board very dramatically since the ethanol mandates went into effect in the 90s and 2000s.

So I guess corn is why Disney is slashing menu options, using lower quality food, serving smaller portions and adding a holiday surcharge? Just like every other restaurant in the world?

Yep, that is totally plausible. And not at all something a social media employee paid by a major corporation would say.

How's the Gov anyway?
 

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
So I guess corn is why Disney is slashing menu options, using lower quality food, serving smaller portions and adding a holiday surcharge? Just like every other restaurant in the world?

Yep, that is totally plausible. And not at all something a social media employee paid by a major corporation would say.

How's the Gov anyway?

With 1/3 of the corn crop being diverted to ethanol, yes, corn is responsible in some way for everything you listed. Taking 1/3 of the corn off the food table and setting it on fire dramatically increases the costs of everything.

* "Disney is slashing menu options" = the soaring cost of corn (due to scarcity caused by drought and the diversion of corn to ethanol processing) means food costs at Disney across the board are skyrocketing; everything that eats corn and is then turned into food for humans is affected by corn price increases. Hamburgers, steaks, chicken, pork, lamb, and whatever other meat-products Disney uses are more expensive in 2012 than ever before before of the high price of corn and the fact that feeding these animals and raising them so they can be turned into meat products is more expensive than ever. This is not Disney's fault.

Disney slashes menu options to cost-cut in response to food price increases from its suppliers. Have you ever had to live on a strict household budget? When food prices go up, that means the $400 you have a month to feed your family of 4 has to stretch farther...which means fewer nights of steak dinners and pot roast and more nights of tuna salad and mac & cheese. Disney has a choice between either raising prices or instructing the F&B divisions to find creative ways to serve meals that keep within the existing food budgets, despite food costs rising. It's a no win situation for Disney because people complain if prices go up on a menu but they also complain if expensive ingredients need to be eliminated to prevent the menu prices from going up.

If you've ever worked in a restaurant, you'd know that the head Chef has a VERY hard job...constantly trying to meet a point of profitability when food prices fluctuate and smaller portions or fewer expensive ingredients must be required at times in order to prevent big increases to menu prices.

* "Adding a holiday surcharge" -- this is the only thing you mention that is NOT in some way related to corn scarcity/ethanol mandates. Supply and demand dictates that holidays cost more. Turkey is MUCH more expensive as Thanksgiving nears. Gadgets and gizmos are MUCH more expensive in the Christmas shopping months than they are the day after Christmas. I buy all my holiday decorations for the next year the week after Christmas this year, because I want to pay less for them and have to plan ahead to do that.

There are entire websites dedicated to finding the right time to go to Disney where the demand for attendance in the parks is lowest and there are the best deals. That's because Disney, like any other company, has higher prices when there is the most demand. So holiday surcharges are a part of capitalism and how businesses work.

It seems like there's a whole generation coming up that has this Occupy Wall Street spirit to it that doesn't seem to understand market forces or supply and demand. So some seem to blame Disney or try their best to make Disney villainous because it has "holiday surcharges". I run my own business and I charge people more during peak buying periods...and all my suppliers charge me more during peak times as well. It's how business works.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
With 1/3 of the corn crop being diverted to ethanol, yes, corn is responsible in some way for everything you listed. Taking 1/3 of the corn off the food table and setting it on fire dramatically increases the costs of everything.

* "Disney is slashing menu options" = the soaring cost of corn (due to scarcity caused by drought and the diversion of corn to ethanol processing) means food costs at Disney across the board are skyrocketing; everything that eats corn and is then turned into food for humans is affected by corn price increases. Hamburgers, steaks, chicken, pork, lamb, and whatever other meat-products Disney uses are more expensive in 2012 than ever before before of the high price of corn and the fact that feeding these animals and raising them so they can be turned into meat products is more expensive than ever. This is not Disney's fault.

Disney slashes menu options to cost-cut in response to food price increases from its suppliers. Have you ever had to live on a strict household budget? When food prices go up, that means the $400 you have a month to feed your family of 4 has to stretch farther...which means fewer nights of steak dinners and pot roast and more nights of tuna salad and mac & cheese. Disney has a choice between either raising prices or instructing the F&B divisions to find creative ways to serve meals that keep within the existing food budgets, despite food costs rising. It's a no win situation for Disney because people complain if prices go up on a menu but they also complain if expensive ingredients need to be eliminated to prevent the menu prices from going up.

If you've ever worked in a restaurant, you'd know that the head Chef has a VERY hard job...constantly trying to meet a point of profitability when food prices fluctuate and smaller portions or fewer expensive ingredients must be required at times in order to prevent big increases to menu prices.

* "Adding a holiday surcharge" -- this is the only thing you mention that is NOT in some way related to corn scarcity/ethanol mandates. Supply and demand dictates that holidays cost more. Turkey is MUCH more expensive as Thanksgiving nears. Gadgets and gizmos are MUCH more expensive in the Christmas shopping months than they are the day after Christmas. I buy all my holiday decorations for the next year the week after Christmas this year, because I want to pay less for them and have to plan ahead to do that.

There are entire websites dedicated to finding the right time to go to Disney where the demand for attendance in the parks is lowest and there are the best deals. That's because Disney, like any other company, has higher prices when there is the most demand. So holiday surcharges are a part of capitalism and how businesses work.

It seems like there's a whole generation coming up that has this Occupy Wall Street spirit to it that doesn't seem to understand market forces or supply and demand. So some seem to blame Disney or try their best to make Disney villainous because it has "holiday surcharges". I run my own business and I charge people more during peak buying periods...and all my suppliers charge me more during peak times as well. It's how business works.

How much does Disney pay you and can you put in a good word for me? I'd love to get a piece of that action.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
So I guess corn is why Disney is slashing menu options, using lower quality food, serving smaller portions and adding a holiday surcharge? Just like every other restaurant in the world?

Yep, that is totally plausible. And not at all something a social media employee paid by a major corporation would say.

How's the Gov anyway?
All I know is if Duncan paid anyone to come derail a #%!%*# character dining thread, he needs to ask for his money back.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
All I know is if Duncan paid anyone to come derail a #%!%*# character dining thread, he needs to ask for his money back.

The funny part is, these attempts at spin are bringing out more critical responses. I would be happy about Garden Grill serving lunch again. I think it was a big mistake when they stopped in the first place. Another stupid decision motivated by spreadsheets. I would never have launched an attack on Disney dining as a whole if not for the existence of a plant trying to spin corn conspiracy stories.
 
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Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
The funny part is, these attempts at spin are bringing out more critical responses. I would be happy about Garden Grill serving lunch again. I think it was a big mistake when they stopped in the first place. Another stupid decision motiated by spreadsheets. I would never have launched an attack on Disney dining as a whole if not for the existence of a plant trying to spin corn conspiracy stories.

Personal attacks are against forum rules, lebeau.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
That was said for your benefit. Why doesn't your "this is against forum rules" spiel get spread evenly around?

Well, it's not my spiel, per se. Just like they're not my rules.

And l highly doubt it was said for anyone's benefit save your own....
 

wilkeliza

Well-Known Member
Well, I didn't mean for my one blow up that yet another form turned into a DDP bashing session to turn into an even longer DDP bashing session.

Now back on topic. Does anyone know if there is a specific reason why it would be coming back? I remember there not being any real sit down location in future world and always having to walk to the world show case to have a table service lunch. I know in January we really wanted to eat at Garden Grill but unfortunately the only available time was during Illuminations and it was our friends first (and probably only) time to EPCOT so we didn't want him to miss it.
 

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
Well, it's not my spiel, per se. Just like they're not my rules.

And l highly doubt it was said for anyone's benefit save your own....

If you're going to appoint yourself the enforcer of "forum rules" then please don't selectively choose to scold someone. If you do this to one person, but not others, you're essentially using the line "that's against forum rules" to attack someone on a personal level. And that's against "forum rules".

THIS is irony.

If you want to appoint yourself as a forum's scold, then be an equal opportunity scolder.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
If you're going to appoint yourself the enforcer of "forum rules" then please don't selectively choose to scold someone. If you do this to one person, but not others, you're essentially using the line "that's against forum rules" to attack someone on a personal level. And that's against "forum rules".

THIS is irony.

I'm not scolding anyone. Just used a (brief) post to point out a fact that apparently you're not a fan of. Most the pity....

And by the way, assuming or opining that someone works for Disney on these boards isn't a personal insult, just an opinion. Unless you're opposed to the idea of working for them.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
I'm not scolding anyone. Just used a (brief) post to point out a fact that apparently you're not a fan of. Most the pity....

And by the way, assuming or opining that someone works for Disney on these boards isn't a personal insult, just an opinion. Unless you're opposed to the idea of working for them.
Trolling and Impersonating another person seems to be against board rules too. Just sayin'....
 

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