News Future World confirmed to be split into 3 neighborhoods

tomast

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The question mark symbol is Guardians....
I dont think so, the red one (as its red like in all other World Discovery pavillions) with the milano shape + Energy pavillion seems more probably to be guardians, .
I guess the ?? could be some sort of M&G

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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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This is my guess with the new logos, not sure if this has been resolve yet..

Does somebody has an idea for the light blue one?

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Edit: I almost forgot about Journey into imagination!
The question mark symbol should be Odyssey.

I agree that the hexagon should be Odyssey. The blobby blue behind Chapek shows Odyssey in that zone.

I would also include Imagination in World Celebration. The bluish purple fits in with the blue theme. And most of Imagination is in the blue zone.
 

Casper Gutman

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I don't think simply renaming things does much for coherency or consistency.
Yup. They’re slapping new titles on areas based on groupings that have been there for decades. Wow, the Land and Seas side kind of has to do with nature? And the opposite side has an innovation/human achievement theme? You don’t say. The new names are PR speak - they do nothing to indicate a new direction.

But let’s talk about new directions. As far as I can see, the announcements are exactly in line with Disney’s direction over the last decade or so:

1) Dividing paying guests into the haves and have-nots - The signature building of new Epcot will LITERALLY divide guests into tiers based on how much they pay.

2) IPs where they don’t belong (I don’t mind appropriate IP use at all) - SSE, Guardians, Moana

3) over-the-top hype in place of substance -Moana, Poppins

4) refusal to build rides and add capacity - if you are defending new Epcot by pointing to rumors, you are conceding that what we know for sure isn’t great. And WDW rumors disintegrate over time - remember the MGM we thought we were getting based on accurate rumors vs what WDW actually decided to build?

New Epcot also exacerbates problems unique to Epcot:

1) festival overload - World Celebration as park centerpiece? Really? And the biggest addition is a convention hall.

2) big, vaguely-themed, purposeless, largely empty cavernous spaces

Oh, and the folks who pretended the poster advocating rides was talking about Six Flags level attractions are arguing in bad faith.
 

GenerationX

Well-Known Member
I don't think simply renaming things does much for coherency or consistency.
It does both to an extent. There's a consistency in following a naming convention with related names.

Clearer names promote coherency by giving the designers a better sense of constraints and boundaries - what fits and what doesn't.

"Future World" as a park section name/theme was an albatross. The new names work and have more potential.
 

Casper Gutman

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It does both to an extent. There's a consistency in following a naming convention with related names.

Clearer names promote coherency by giving the designers a better sense of constraints and boundaries - what fits and what doesn't.

"Future World" as a park section name/theme was an albatross. The new names work and have more potential.
Except the new names for the front of Epcot do very little to establish “constraints and boundaries,” instead being broad and vague enough to include almost anything. This is particularly true of “World Discovery.” It is hard to come up with a set of limits that would encompass both GotG and Test Track, or to imagine how the Play Pavilion fits into the theme, unless the theme is so vague as to be meaningless. How does SSE fit into “World Celebration?” What zone is Imagination actually in, and if it could go into either “Celebration” or “Nature,” what kind of boundaries are actually being erected?

Look at parks with better defined themes; Space Mountain couldn’t fit into Frontierland. Dinosaur doesn’t belong in Harambe. The Cat in the Hat couldn’t be shoved into Marvel Island.

One way WDW could have lent SOME substance to the names and given a sense of direction to the area would have been to announce some new rides. But they didn’t do that. And the most recently announced ride, GotG, only serves to make the new designations more unclear.

PS: The clunky new names seem to have been chosen to create symmetry with World Showcase. But they don’t do that. Presumably, “World Celebration” is a world of celebrations while “World Discovery” is a world of discovery. Is World Showcase best described as a world of showcases? No, it’s a showcase for the world. The new names are bad.
 
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WDWFREAK53

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PS: The clunky new names seem to have been chosen to create symmetry with World Showcase. But they don’t do that. Presumably, “World Celebration” is a world of celebrations while “World Discovery” is a world of discovery. Is World Showcase best described as a world of showcases? No, it’s a showcase for the world. The new names are bad.

Well, I don't think it means "World of Discovery." Like World Showcase is a "Showcase of the World", the land will be a "Discovery of the World." "Nature of the World" "Celebration of the World."

(Or in the case of GotG...Discovery of Outer Worlds? LOL)
 

RoysCabin

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It's funny, but I feel like a lot of how I end up feeling about this might be in large part impacted by whatever they end up doing with the "festival center" or whatever we're calling it.

I know some bemoan the constant festival rotation in EPCOT, but I admit I'm kind of partial to at least the idea of them; if EPCOT works like a permanent World's Fair (a dated concept by now, I realize, but the structure is still there), it kind of makes sense to have rotating events and displays of art, cuisine, stuff like that. Thing is, I want to see them take things another step further, and to use the new building to do it: for example, I'd love to see the new space being used to do things like holding forums for academics on interesting issues pertaining to pavilion concepts (e.g. ecology, transportation, culture, etc.), technology, social sciences, etc., or hosting things like music and theater performances, events of that nature, kind of having "mini-festivals" scheduled there throughout the year to engage with the world outside Disney property. It'd really bring the original EPCOT concept to life in many ways, and be a sign of good faith and a gesture that shows that it can be more than "just a theme park"; the concept art showing people standing at what looked like a news desk labeled "EPCOT" gave me a sliver of hope of an idea akin to this, but obviously I'm not going to assume anything at the moment.

As for rides, I think people are talking past one another to a degree. Rides definitely help, but the word we all might be looking for is "experiences". We don't need to plop down a barebones Six Flags-style roller coaster in EPCOT or AK, we don't need to shoehorn in carnival rides just to put more options on the map, but it'd be nice to get back to an EPCOT where you could enter a pavilion and find yourself spending literally hours there. The Universe of Energy show was over a half hour long; riding through Spaceship Earth, Horizons, and Imagination's ride portion would take up 12-15 minutes all on their own; the Image Works was a wonderful experience, and it leading directly to the Magic Eye theater only made it an even richer experience; the Living Seas was a whole experience before you ever set foot inside Sea Base Alpha. Heck, while I never thought the Transcenter at World of Motion was as good as it could be (gonna blame GM's "automobiles > anything" mandate), it was at least an attempt at keeping you immersed for more than a short ride through.

That's a big thing that's missing now, and well-constructed, large capacity and frequently loading rides can help so much on that front, especially if you integrate it with a strong post-show. Ironically World Showcase still has that spirit to it despite having far fewer rides thanks to how detailed the nation pavilions are, but the now former Future World needs to go work hard to recapture that old feeling, and bringing in more ride options and integrated pavilions would be just the ticket.
 
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