Further proof that the Dueling Dragons coasters at IOA were supposed to be at Disney

[WDWCP]

I know the inverted roller coaster was around way before IOA got it. I was speaking of the specific ride itself. While walking out of The Magic Kingdom in 1998 with my family, we were stopped by a Disney research cast member who asked us to take a survey. We did and in return he gave us some info. One piece of this info was that the ride, Dueling Dragons, was being designed for Disney's Animal kingdom but they were out bid by IOA 3 days before closure. This is why there is one inch scale model of "Dragon Tower", what the ride would have been called if it ended up at AK, that was built by WDI. I will go to IOA tomorrow and take a picture of what I am talking about concerning the "hidden mickey". I just found it interesting, no need for everyone to get in a fight over something so trivial.

I really don't think it works quite that way. Disney and Universal are both so big that when they want a ride that they don't want to or don't feel capable of producing in house, they'll go to some sort of a ride designer or a few different ride designer companies. They will tell these companines some basiscs of what they had in mind and those companies will design something and pitch the product back to Disney or Universal management. They'll get some more feedback and maybe tweak the designs some and eventually come up with something that fits all the requirements including budget.

The way you described it above, it makes it sound like DD was just randomly designed and then sold off. If DD was truly designed "for" Disney, I guarantee that there would have been wording in the initial design contracts that would prevent any unused desings from being used or bought by any competitors...

 

[brich]

What's wrong with a Nemo bowl, and a Tarzan cup?

Nothing at all... :lol:
Just a referrence to a hard core Disney supporter.... :king:
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[JKovach]

:king:

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa..... whoa...... whoa....... whoa......... whoa.......... whoa........... whoa............. whoa........... whoa.....

THE KING ICON IS MINE!!!







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[brich]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa..... whoa...... whoa....... whoa......... whoa.......... whoa........... whoa............. whoa........... whoa.....
THE KING ICON IS MINE!!!
:king:

Not for nothing but next time you drink more Red Bulls than you can handle, please stay off your computer....
We're all happy for you. Really :king:

 

[JKovach]

Not for nothing but next time you drink more Red Bulls than you can handle, please stay off your computer....
We're all happy for you. Really :king:

You'd probably never have guessed it but today I am perfectly fine!!! :hammer:



I'm just trying to have some fun at work...





if i am actually bothering anyone, by all means let me know... i'll take it down a notch

ITS ALL GOOD FUN THO








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[peter11435]

I know the inverted roller coaster was around way before IOA got it. I was speaking of the specific ride itself. While walking out of The Magic Kingdom in 1998 with my family, we were stopped by a Disney research cast member who asked us to take a survey. We did and in return he gave us some info. One piece of this info was that the ride, Dueling Dragons, was being designed for Disney's Animal kingdom but they were out bid by IOA 3 days before closure. This is why there is one inch scale model of "Dragon Tower", what the ride would have been called if it ended up at AK, that was built by WDI. I will go to IOA tomorrow and take a picture of what I am talking about concerning the "hidden mickey". I just found it interesting, no need for everyone to get in a fight over something so trivial.

That’s really not how it works. Take everything that CM told you and forget it. While it is true that a ride similar to DD was designed for AK. DD was not designed for AK. There is also no bid process. Walt Disney Imagineering or Universal Creative designs the attractions etc for their respective parks. At times they will use outside companies to assist, however these are hired to for a specific job that WDI or UC wants them to do. They do not bid on attractions designed by others. In fact the outside companies that do participate are the ones that bid one the right to be involved in the project.

 

[CoffeeJedi]

what excactly are you saying was "designed" for WDW?

the ride conveyance?
-that's an off-the-shelf ride system, any park can build one

the track layout?
-the location of the parks and land features in the area would make an exact duplicate layout impossible

the theming?
-"dragons" is a bit generic. the DAK coaster was to have hanging bats holding metal pots to ride in and a storyline involving the bats attempting to steal the dragon's treasure. the dragon was to be a huge animatronic like the one in Disneyland Paris, AFAIK, no large scale dragon AA appears in IOA's coaster. furthermore, Disney never puts up a roller coaster track without either a)hiding it from view ala Space Mountain or RnRC, or B) theming it to train tracks like Big Thunder, or Everest. the dragon tower coaster had its tracks hidden in the cieling of the castle

 

[Glasgow]

I'm still waiting for the picture that the original poster promised ...

SHOW ME THE MICKEY!! SHOW ME THE MICKEY!!

 

[NTI2002]

I have heard that it's a closely guarded secret that Some of Disney's imagineers actually designed some of the rides for Universal. the excuse is that it helps the parks remain competitive which is good buisiness for everyone.

 

[JKovach]

I have heard that it's a closely guarded secret that Some of Disney's imagineers actually designed some of the rides for Universal. the excuse is that it helps the parks remain competitive which is good buisiness for everyone.

how is it closely guarded??? it was just let loose into the world of WDWmagic.com

Now thousands know... well... :hammer:






No its okay lois I read a book about this one time...

are you sure it was a book... are you sure it wasn't... nothing??

oh yeah you're right













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[Austin1]

Well I do think they could have found out about the theme concept and could be part of the reason Dragon Tower was never built. But I think it really came down to the Budget of Animal Kingdom. I do have to say The dragon tower concept sounds Amazing. Right now Ak is my least favorite WDW park but If the keep adding the great new attrations I may chage my mind. As far as IOA it only has so long untill they are gonna have to pour a ton of mony into it.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Yes Austin, you are right about that... IOA will be getting a new attraction in 2007 or so... And suppossedly it is to be based on.. JURASSIC PARK.. Since they already have a Jurassic Park ride, I wonder just how true these rumors are...

 

[JKovach]

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[kiawahman]

I dont think Disney would put a ride like that in one of their parks. It looks too Universalish.

 

[Madison]

The little know truth is that before this little dragon-themed debacle, both WDI and Universal Creative were simultaneously developing Chupacabra: The Ride for their parks' myth-themed areas.

After deciding not to pursue that ride *and* losing the eBay bid for Dueling Dragons (in the last moments, I'm sure), Disney simply gave up on ever building Beastley Kingdomme.

 

[Lynx04]

The inverted coaster ride system was not made by imagineers, nor designed for a Disney attraction. The first inverted coaster was made for Six Flags Great America, and was made by B&M.

Lost Continent at IOA was losely based of the Beastly Kingdom concept. DD was a concept for BK and when Disney laid off a bunch of imagineers, those imagineers were lucky that Universal was building another park and needed more people for the project. Imagineers are creators of concepts, not the Disney or Universal. When these talented people are let go because nothing is in the pipeline to be done, another company hires them to work on one of their projects.

It is just like movies, Spielberg mostly makes moves for Universal Studios. However, if Universal passes on a project, he takes it to another studio that will pick it up. "War of the Worlds" is not a Universal picture it is a Paramount Film. Same with after Lucas did "Star Wars" he took his next project to Paramount. If Disney pass on a project, that imagineer can take the concept to Universal.

 

[peter11435]

The inverted coaster ride system was not made by imagineers, nor designed for a Disney attraction. The first inverted coaster was made for Six Flags Great America, and was made by B&M.

Lost Continent at IOA was losely based of the Beastly Kingdom concept. DD was a concept for BK and when Disney laid off a bunch of imagineers, those imagineers were lucky that Universal was building another park and needed more people for the project. Imagineers are creators of concepts, not the Disney or Universal. When these talented people are let go because nothing is in the pipeline to be done, another company hires them to work on one of their projects.

It is just like movies, Spielberg mostly makes moves for Universal Studios. However, if Universal passes on a project, he takes it to another studio that will pick it up. "War of the Worlds" is not a Universal picture it is a Paramount Film. Same with after Lucas did "Star Wars" he took his next project to Paramount. If Disney pass on a project, that imagineer can take the concept to Universal.

Not exactly true either. Only those who work for Disney are technically called Imagineers (they have the term trademarked). Those designers/engineers are sometimes let go and can get jobs with another agency such as Universal Creative. However they are no longer Imagineers (you could say they are former Imagineers). Additionally if Imagineers at Walt Disney Imagineering designed a ride the rights to that ride belong to Disney not the Imagineers. Therefore they can't legally take their plans and blueprints to another park and build the attraction. The can however design a ride for another park that is SIMILAR (as DD is) to one that was designed while they were Imagineers. It is also important to point out that no one Imagineer is entirely responsible for a Disney attraction. It is a team effort and we should not forget that.

 

[NemoRocks78]

Yes Austin, you are right about that... IOA will be getting a new attraction in 2007 or so... And suppossedly it is to be based on.. JURASSIC PARK.. Since they already have a Jurassic Park ride, I wonder just how true these rumors are...

Well, the island is Jurassic Park, so it would be pretty hard to NOT base an attraction on it and have the ride on the island...

 

[jcat2312]

Well, the island is Jurassic Park, so it would be pretty hard to NOT base an attraction on it and have the ride on the island...

I heard the "borrowed" the blueprints from Dinosaur in AK and will be building a replica of that......hahaha:drevil:

 

[I.M.Fearless]

I heard the "borrowed" the blueprints from Dinosaur in AK and will be building a replica of that......hahaha:drevil:

Yeah, and have it pretend to ride backward away from a giant boulder too!