Matt_Black
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Because both are about a magic-using female portrayed by Idina Menzel.
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Because both are about a magic-using female portrayed by Idina Menzel.
RandomPrincess
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Also Let it Go and Defying Gravity - Same message
Magenta Panther
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I don't recall that Walt ever ditched EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER in a story he made a movie out of. The truth is, the Disney scripters of "Frozen" were motivated by 2 things: 1. Merchandising potential. 2. How to make the "Snow Queen" story relevant and politically correct. Which they did by throwing out most of the STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS in the original story, and putting in two "Wicked"-inspired females. Yeesh. What wimps.
Bairstow
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Both are about self empowerment and accepting yourself for who you are I wouldn't call one a rip off of the other, many Disney songs also share the same messages.
There is a reason why its now called the classic "Princess I want song"
Belle reprise
Part of your world
Just around the river bend
Once upon a dream
Someday my prince will come
When will my life begin
So I guess let it go and defying gravity are in another genre, one that I call the F*** it all song
Many x men are avengers as wellNah, she's clearly an X-man.
Skywalker82
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Awesome movie, i saw it 8 times in theaters already and became one of my new favorites.
I just gained a crush on Elsa and she is on par with Jessica Rabbit and Jasmine
I just gained a crush on Elsa and she is on par with Jessica Rabbit and Jasmine
Matt_Black
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Many x men are avengers as well
Well, The Beast has been on a number of super-teams (I think he holds the Marvel record) and Wolverine is there because hey, putting Wolverine in a book for no good reason boosts sales.
DisneyFan 2000
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OK OK hold your horses. First and foremost, a bad movie and one you didn't enjoy at all are NOT the same thing. For example, I find the Godfather boring beyond belief. Does it make it a bad film in my eyes? Hardly, just one I have trouble enjoying at all.
Now, to some of your points, my 0.02:
1. I didn't get the sense that they were locking her in so much as she was. When they leave for wherever (before their death) she is clearly out and about the palace. Elsa, years later, locked herself inside all by herself when she built her castle, so they clearly intended to make a point that SHE as a character was repeating the same mistakes (putting herself in isolation etc). Furthermore during the Do You...Snowman? song sequence you can see her father trying to reach out and touch her, with Elsa being the one to shut him out. The gloves were also a direct response to her panicking. I got a real sense of love and a bit of fear of how to channel her powers to make them her own. Never did I sense cruelty or abuse.
2. How is that even a point? I think what's so enduring is EXACTLY the fact that she stays good, just conflicted. Most people don't turn villainous over being different, just scared (gays, mentally-ill, minorities) I can see how so many people could relate to that over some queen becoming evil and hell-bent on destruction and revenge.
3. She was born with it, as mentioned earlier. Seriously, you're willing to go along that mermaids are real and the fact that one becomes human simply from the magic of the king's wand, yet this bothers you? Hmm...
As for shallow characters? I see a lot of myself with Elsa so I'm a little offended.
Seriously though, I found the characters on display interesting and relevant, with Anna and Elsa (justifiably) being the best of the bunch. I find it odd you found them one-dimensional.
lazyboy97o
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There is a clip somewhere, maybe it is in Waking Sleeping Beauty, where Howard Ashman explains that in every musical there is a point where the leading sings a song telling us what it is that she wants, the major plot point of the story we are watching.
DisneyFan 2000
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Funny though, Let it Go isn't that moment. The "I want" moment (for both sisters) is "For the First Time in Forever". I think it might be one of the few times that the "I want" song didn't define the movie. Both Anna and Elsa quickly discover that their wants at the time of the coronation were the least of their issues.
Matt_Black
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Yeah, "Let It Go" is more accurately an "I Am Becoming" song.
I still like calling it the F*** it all song. Interestingly enough I found this cover, don't watch it if foul language offends your sensibilities!
In fact both of their wants were kinda harmful and lead to most of their problems.
I keep mentioning and people keep overlooking it but the entire point of not explaining the reason behind Elsa's powers are very, very intentional. Honestly what would it have been another minute of dialogue? There is a clear reason why Jennifer lee chose to have the troll king pabbie say "Born with the powers, or cursed?" her father says "Born". This to me was extremely smart, people are born a certain way (cough cough lgbt) and there isn't a reason they are like that other than that's just how they are built. I am not the only one that saw some obvious similarities between Elsa's journey and that of someone born lgbt. Also her parents meant well, they just didn't handle the situation right, I know plenty of parents like that, it doesn't mean they loved elsa any less. I don't want to get personal but I relate to Elsa well pretty much on every level including the parenting area in some parts. This film is just full of depth to me, and I finally see a Disney character that I can see going through something that I myself have been through. So that's why I love this film so much, its not because I am any sort of a pixie snorter, I know Disney has made mediocre/terrible films (Planes, Chicken little, home on the range, to name a few). But this film is one of the better ones they have done, its in the top list for me.OK OK hold your horses. First and foremost, a bad movie and one you didn't enjoy at all are NOT the same thing. For example, I find the Godfather boring beyond belief. Does it make it a bad film in my eyes? Hardly, just one I have trouble enjoying at all.
Now, to some of your points, my 0.02:
1. I didn't get the sense that they were locking her in so much as she was. When they leave for wherever (before their death) she is clearly out and about the palace. Elsa, years later, locked herself inside all by herself when she built her castle, so they clearly intended to make a point that SHE as a character was repeating the same mistakes (putting herself in isolation etc). Furthermore during the Do You...Snowman? song sequence you can see her father trying to reach out and touch her, with Elsa being the one to shut him out. The gloves were also a direct response to her panicking. I got a real sense of love and a bit of fear of how to channel her powers to make them her own. Never did I sense cruelty or abuse.
2. How is that even a point? I think what's so enduring is EXACTLY the fact that she stays good, just conflicted. Most people don't turn villainous over being different, just scared (gays, mentally-ill, minorities) I can see how so many people could relate to that over some queen becoming evil and hell-bent on destruction and revenge.
3. She was born with it, as mentioned earlier. Seriously, you're willing to go along that mermaids are real and the fact that one becomes human simply from the magic of the king's wand, yet this bothers you? Hmm...
As for shallow characters? I see a lot of myself with Elsa so I'm a little offended.
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Bairstow
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AllyInWonderland
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When I think of X-Men and Frozen, I can't help but think of Rogue. Having to wear gloves because of her powers (like Elsa), and her white streaks in her hair (like Anna).Nah, she's clearly an X-man.