Matt_Black
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You mean a random sampling of folks on a particular message board that has a reputation for complaining? Clearly, this thread is vox populi!
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Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?
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You mean a random sampling of folks on a particular message board that has a reputation for complaining? Clearly, this thread is vox populi!
muteki
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Why would they be issued? It's more than 60 days out.
The Empress Lilly
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Right! It is too often said that WDW is cartoonified 'for the kids'. But most twelve year old girls prefer those trolls over pinky barbie princessy stuff. Every eight year old boy prefers a massive oil rig in a thundrstorm over Love's First Kiss of two toons.
WDW is toonified not for the kids, but for the accoutaneers looking to agressively market their $81billion dollar multinational's intellectual properties. It is not for your kids, but for their wallet.
Mike730
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Here I am explaining how english works again. The entire conversation was in reference to THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD WHO OBJECTED.
What people? The ones ON THIS FORUM who are defending Maelstrom.
"PEOPLE ON HERE"
'The masses" means the masses of people on the board who object. Obviously you can't get a worldwide sample from the responses on a message board and no one here is trying to do that.
Read the thread.
jt04
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I do not disagree with you completely. I wish FW had been invested in properly. Unfortunately it was not and I just can't see them dropping 2 billion into Epcot to fix it as traditionalists would like. So I am just trying to figure how they can make the best of past errors. I am sure there is plenty of debate behind the scenes on how to do just that.
Mediocre is, by definition, middle-of-the-road. A C-ticket ride, therefore, is mediocre.
That is certainly true, if you ignore all of the cartoons that the company made since the 1920s.
To be fair, it's mostly the same people complaining about it over and over.
Also, when people refer to 'the masses', they are generally talking about the general population, not a super small sliver of the population.
I agree - EPCOT needs an investment like DCA. It doesn't need the retheming, rather a return to theming.
As for the debate behind the scenes, it would be fun to listen to
jt04
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I agree - EPCOT needs an investment like DCA. It doesn't need the retheming, rather a return to theming.
As for the debate behind the scenes, it would be fun to listen to
I would pay money to watch the meetings. An entirely new form of entertainment.
lazyboy97o
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And they successfully branched branched out from that. Nobody expected Disneyland to be all cartoons and it wasn't. Nobody expected the Magic Kingdom and Phase 1 to be all cartoons and they weren't. Nobody expected EPCOT to be cartoon city and it wasn't. Nobody expected the EPCOT Center to be all cartoons and it wasn't. Nobody expected Tokyo Disneyland to be all cartoons and despite the massive popularity of characters, Tokyo DisneySEA is not all cartoons. Neither was the Disney-MGM Studios, the gorgeous Euro Disneyland, or Disney's Animal Kingdom. All storytelling successes that are still celebrated.
DisneyMagic27
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While a part of me is against this change, part of me is eager to see what WDW can do for this attraction. I can picture it already. They will never make the ride educational, because of Frozen's worldwide popularity. Also, Disney likes to change things up and I mean, they got rid of Snow White's Scary Adventures, a classic, so what's gonna prevent them for offing the Maelstrom?
Nobody expects EPCOT to be all cartoons and it isn't. Adding frozen to that ride doesn't make all of EPCOT cartoons.
I guess that it should be mentioned that the reason characters were added to EPCOT is because visitors want them there.
lazyboy97o
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The park did just fine without characters. They were added because it was an easy option, just like so many of the character additions and just like replacing Maelstrom would be the easy option.
They were an easy option that was wanted by the guests; the masses, if you will.
Hula Popper
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Well that's just a dumb reason. Why would anyone make decisions based on what visitors want instead of strictly adhering to what a tiny group of internet message board posters believe the original purpose of the park was when it opened more than thirty years ago, or even the purpose when the original idea was conceived years before that??
In all fairness, the average day guests are thick / don't care / know no better.
Lowest common denominator and all that.
A lot of members here have higher standards.
Characters walking around, in theme with the area.
Not in the attractions. That's why there's a Magic Kingdom.
Bocabear
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The Masses did not necessarily want characters...they wanted more to do... ways to entertain the kids... In truth EPCOT needed more attractions as everyone knows...they needed quality updates to some existing attractions... They never did need characters added to the park. It just seems to have been a cheap way to bring up some guest satisfaction without any meaningful investment back into the park...Why create a new attraction when you can hire a college kid to wear a costume... TDO has been getting away with this for years...
Gomer
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Well that's just a dumb reason. Why would anyone make decisions based on what visitors want instead of strictly adhering to what a tiny group of internet message board posters believe the original purpose of the park was when it opened more than thirty years ago, or even the purpose when the original idea was conceived years before that??
Listening to the people is just about the dumbest thing you can do in the entertainment industry, be they in theme parks or on message boards. There is a reason we don’t make our own movies, write our own books, create our own TV shows, and design our own theme parks. And it is because, no matter what we may think of our own abilities, there are far more talented people in the world who can come up with far better ideas than we can.
I don’t want to go to Disney World to see something I tell them I want to see. I want them to come up with something so good, I would have never thought to ask for it. Something more, something better that exceeds my expectations. If meeting the expectations of the public had been enough for Walt, Disney theme parks wouldn’t exist at all and we’d be chatting about the chipping paint on this year’s tilt-a-whirl at the local state fair.
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