Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

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Matt_Black

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We can save on the fire and brimstone now that the last puppet film flopped. A sock drawer is Kermie's most likely fate. :D

Once it hits home video, it's numbers might improve, a la 2011's Winnie the Pooh.

And nuts to you, Frozen addict. I'm glad you so enjoyed your "Wicked On Ice" film, but I like to imagine what could have been

Yes. We know. You've mentioned that ad nauseum over the past 6 months. I just shudder to think what we're in for when Big Hero 6 hits.
 

Bocabear

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If you take the footprint of TLM ride and it's M&G, and flip it, it fits nicely where the circus tents currently sit...without disturbing any other attraction. So it looks like there is enough space there but after this giant construction project I doubt they would want to spend any more construction dollars in the Magic Kingdom for a while...
new fantasyland attraction.jpg
 

EricJ

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We can save on the fire and brimstone now that the last puppet film flopped. A sock drawer is Kermie's most likely fate. :D

I'd settle for them FINALLY releasing the last two Show seasons on disk, and stop trying to go the Warner "They don't remember Bugs Bunny!" route of trying to market them as "modern", with parodies of CW and Bohemian Rhapsody.

And nuts to you, Frozen addict. I'm glad you so enjoyed your "Wicked On Ice" film, but I like to imagine what could have been:
Marc Davis drew that. I'd take that unicorn over Frozen's imbecilic drooling reindeer any day, and that snowy owl over Snow-Mater. But at least the most successful Disney film of late was NOT based on junk like Muppets, but on a Disney-adapted fairy tale. That makes me VERY happy. :D

Although that was back when they couldn't get a grip on the tale, and kept trying to come with a plot where the Snow Queen was the central character of the story ( :confused: ), and whether "love would melt her heart". Errr, no.
The other creative/weird character-analog guesses are correct, but that Hans one is just plain silly. (Especially since he wasn't even a villain until the last-minute script redraft, when it turned out Elsa wasn't going to be.) If anything, Elsa's self-pity was the corrupting "mirror", and just as the enchanted Kai was in love with the Queen, the let-it-go Elsa was now in love/denial with herself.

(In fact, one of the advantages of Shelley Duvall's cable fairytale series coming out in the 80's was that we got the "original" uncorrupted pre-90's-Renaissance versions of Mermaid, Beauty, Aladdin, Rapunzel and Snow Queen to use as reference material, just in cases of emergencies like these: )
 
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Matt_Black

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I'd settle for them FINALLY releasing the last two Show seasons on disk, and stop trying to go the Warner "They don't remember Bugs Bunny!" route of trying to market them as "modern", with parodies of CW and Bohemian Rhapsody.

You realize that no matter what decade, the Muppets ALWAYS kind of poked fun at current pop culture? Also, Bohemian Rhapsody is almost 40 years old. That's not exactly "modern" rock.
 

Magenta Panther

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Once it hits home video, it's numbers might improve, a la 2011's Winnie the Pooh.



Yes. We know. You've mentioned that ad nauseum over the past 6 months. I just shudder to think what we're in for when Big Hero 6 hits.

Nothing is going to salvage the puppet film. It's a world-wide flop.

As to Big Hero Six...not to worry, I won't be seeing that.
 

Magenta Panther

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I'd settle for them FINALLY releasing the last two Show seasons on disk, and stop trying to go the Warner "They don't remember Bugs Bunny!" route of trying to market them as "modern", with parodies of CW and Bohemian Rhapsody.



Although that was back when they couldn't get a grip on the tale, and kept trying to come with a plot where the Snow Queen was the central character of the story ( :confused: ), and whether "love would melt her heart". Errr, no.
The other creative/weird character-analog guesses are correct, but that Hans one is just plain silly. (Especially since he wasn't even a villain until the last-minute script redraft, when it turned out Elsa wasn't going to be.) If anything, Elsa's self-pity was the corrupting "mirror", and just as the enchanted Kai was in love with the Queen, the let-it-go Elsa was now in love/denial with herself.

(In fact, one of the advantages of Shelley Duvall's cable fairytale series coming out in the 80's was that we got the "original" uncorrupted pre-90's-Renaissance versions of Mermaid, Beauty, Aladdin, Rapunzel and Snow Queen to use as reference material, just in cases of emergencies like these: )


I know, right? The earlier versions of Snow Queen/Frozen, concocted during the Eisner era, as I understand it, tried to turn the tale into a romance. A sort of "Taming of the Shrew" thing. I'm soooooooo glad Disney didn't go with that. But just the same, I will be forever puzzled as to why it threw out every single character in the original story because it "couldn't make it work". No, wait, scratch that. I know exactly why the Disney crew did what it did: The writers of Frozen were afraid of having a film star a little boy and girl. Not marketable enough. There HAD to be a princess in there somewhere. They were also scared of the much-maligned (by bitter feminists and "elite" film snobs) Disney Prince motif, where the girl is rescued by the guy. Now it so happens that in the Anderson Snow Queen story, the GIRL rescues the GUY. Problem solved, right? But NO, she's not a PRINCESS, so hey, forget that, the marketing department will kill us! :p And then one of the writers, who just HAPPENED to be involved with "Wicked", came up with the sisters schtick. Because the misunderstood bad girl/good girl gimmick had worked so well with that show. As a result, a very contrived, very cynical, and very politically correct story was concocted. And all of the strong female characters from Anderson's century-old tale were jettisoned. Because, although they were strong, they weren't marketable.

But oh well, the movie's a HUGE hit, and so they all lived happily ever after.
 

EricJ

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And then one of the writers, who just HAPPENED to be involved with "Wicked", came up with the sisters schtick. Because the misunderstood bad girl/good girl gimmick had worked so well with that show.

And then cast the Tony-winning Elfaba actress in it--
It's like we were saying when Oz:tG&P came out: Universal, will you please, for the love a' humanity, just haul off and MAKE that #@$%in' Wicked movie, already, so that every studio and fangirl screenwriter doesn't keep trying to turn their own movies into it?
The "Sister-rivalry Queens" thing in Tim Burton's Alice was embarrassingly enough off the original story!

Yes. We know. You've mentioned that ad nauseum over the past 6 months. I just shudder to think what we're in for when Big Hero 6 hits.

And whether the Universal Marvel Florida embargo means we won't be getting early M&G's for Fredzilla.
 

Mike S

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I know, right? The earlier versions of Snow Queen/Frozen, concocted during the Eisner era, as I understand it, tried to turn the tale into a romance. A sort of "Taming of the Shrew" thing. I'm soooooooo glad Disney didn't go with that. But just the same, I will be forever puzzled as to why it threw out every single character in the original story because it "couldn't make it work". No, wait, scratch that. I know exactly why the Disney crew did what it did: The writers of Frozen were afraid of having a film star a little boy and girl. Not marketable enough. There HAD to be a princess in there somewhere. They were also scared of the much-maligned (by bitter feminists and "elite" film snobs) Disney Prince motif, where the girl is rescued by the guy. Now it so happens that in the Anderson Snow Queen story, the GIRL rescues the GUY. Problem solved, right? But NO, she's not a PRINCESS, so hey, forget that, the marketing department will kill us! :p And then one of the writers, who just HAPPENED to be involved with "Wicked", came up with the sisters schtick. Because the misunderstood bad girl/good girl gimmick had worked so well with that show. As a result, a very contrived, very cynical, and very politically correct story was concocted. And all of the strong female characters from Anderson's century-old tale were jettisoned. Because, although they were strong, they weren't marketable.

But oh well, the movie's a HUGE hit, and so they all lived happily ever after.
You talk as if the movie completely sucks just because it wasn't like the original story. Let it go.
 

Magenta Panther

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You talk as if the movie completely sucks just because it wasn't like the original story. Let it go.

It's a huge hit, and I like that. The way it came about is what depresses me. Plus, I don't like the movie all that much, and not just because it's not a more faithful adaptation of the original Anderson story. It just didn't click with me. *shrug*

But I think a Frozen attraction in the parks could be awesome. IF TDO/TDA were willing to spend a decent amount of money on it and try to knock our socks off with its concept and design.
 

EricJ

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You talk as if the movie completely sucks just because it wasn't like the original story. Let it go.

Yeah, because everyone knows it actually sucked because the director/screenwriter let the Broadway songwriters take over, blocked the whole thing as a cramped stage musical, and didn't know what an animated movie looked like! ;)
 

Matt_Black

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Nothing is going to salvage the puppet film. It's a world-wide flop.

It's got a 79% critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

As to Big Hero Six...not to worry, I won't be seeing that.

And yet, why do I have the feeling that you'll still slag off on it for the next year? "Well, Disney Animation is officially out of ideas. Blah blah blah male power fantasy blah blah robots are stupid blah blah blah I HATE MUPPETS!"
 

Magenta Panther

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It's got a 79% critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

And yet, why do I have the feeling that you'll still slag off on it for the next year? "Well, Disney Animation is officially out of ideas. Blah blah blah male power fantasy blah blah robots are stupid blah blah blah I HATE MUPPETS!"

OOOOHHHHH, 79%. Pity that didn't make a bit of difference to the box office. And what's interesting to ME is that the RT audience rating is at 65%. Wow, the audience disliked the film even more than the critics did!
 

Magenta Panther

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That's the billion dollar question. From what I've read Frozen is doing really well in Japan so maybe OLC could make the ride first that way we just pay to clone it.

I'm not usually in favor of clones, but if the OLC is involved, I'll make an exception.

But of course, if OLC did build an awesome Frozen ride, we'd probably get the economy version, just like we got the el-cheapo version of OLC's Pooh's Hunny Hunt. :p
 

Mike S

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I'm not usually in favor of clones, but if the OLC is involved, I'll make an exception.

But of course, if OLC did build an awesome Frozen ride, we'd probably get the economy version, just like we got the el-cheapo version of OLC's Pooh's Hunny Hunt. :p
I think it's obvious with how popular this movie is worldwide that if a ride is made it would be cloned for almost all the resorts. Plus, with how connected everything is now compared to when Pooh was made, I doubt Disney would go cheap on our version of the ride while everyone else would get an amazing one. The rage in the fan community would be ENORMOUS. Maybe I'm just hopelessly optimistic about all this thinking that Disney would want to go big or go home for their most successful animated film.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I'll leave this here because spirit broke silence during his vacation to tease some upcoming updates, in which he mentioned Frozen for EPCOT-
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...be-leaving-in-july.884390/page-8#post-6105079

Anyway, while I have much to share with you, I gots to get back to the business of having fun in the sun. But soon enough we'll be talking about Frozen in EPCOT being confirmed to me, when SDL will really open and with a Phase II already being rushed (unlike say DCA's), what WDW is hoping for from its Club 33 outpost, and why DCL will be expanding sooner rather than later (exec comments notwithstanding), maybe even some details on a new night parade for DL and the Wishes replacement for the MK and certainly some refreshing honesty about why DLR is a much better place to spend your vacation dollars than WDW is.

By the way- Would any of you happen to have a bucket that I could throw up in?
 
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