tirian
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On the contrary, most Disney theme park fans snatch overpriced, retro EPCOT Center merchandise as soon as it's available.
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Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?
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lazyboy97o
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Studying is not being. Neither is featuring consultants. It is an American film featuring an American adaption of a Danish story that has been set in Norway. That is nowhere close to being Norwegian. Including Frozen in the Norway Pavilion is the very sort of arrogant, culture domination so many feared when World Showcase was being sold to members of the international community.
That is one of the oddities of "Disney" being only what is already established by Disney, the older theme park stuff tends to qualify.
Matt_Black
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Well, the main theme of each park can and has shifted. DHS's big thing was that in addition to being a park, it was also a working studio. It's not anymore.
Things change. You don't have to like it, but you have to accept it.
cheezbat
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Yeah...lets put not only the meet and greet but an Aladdin ride in Morocco...
And add a Mulan attraction to China...
And Ratatouille ride to France...
And Snow White show and Aurora ride to Germany...
And a Lady and the Tramp ride to Italy...
And on and on and on until World Showcase has been completely Toonified.
Barf.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
lazyboy97o
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This is not a shift. It is a rejection.
Matt_Black
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Good luck with that. I rejected the notion of Michael Bay making Transformers films, and that didn't stop those movies from making a metric butt-ton of money.
lazyboy97o
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Poor analogy. The existence of the new Transformers films does not end the existing of the prior Transformers works.
Matt_Black
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TRUE, but whenever I want to talk about the REAL Transformers movie nowadays, I always have to clarify by adding words such as "animated" or "original" or "1980s" or "the one that wasn't p***-poor".
aladdin2007
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sorry but thats not Norwegian enough, really more Sami, and no olaf was not stuffed in my ears. I heard it, but it was only once or twice for a few seconds, big deal. Had they used the hardanger fiddle or something with more of a folk music quality then that would be different.
Matt_Black
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Not Norwegian enough... *face palm* You realize that they serve Aquavit at the Norway Pavilion, and that was invented in Denmark?
lazyboy97o
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Cultures can adopt items, but it does not happen literally over night.
Matt_Black
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Well, no, of course not. And if Frozen premiered 3/16/2014, that statement would make for a compelling argument for not including Frozen in the pavilion.
aladdin2007
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aquavit fits better than the characters in Akershus that have no business being there at all. And what does that have to do with the movie anyway?
Captain Chaos
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When you are losing an argument, you just toss anything out there to see what sticks to try to make your point... That's what is happening here... Frozen does not fit at all... The defenders have lost that argument... Now it is time to toss nonsense out as a last gasp effort... Frozen does not belong in Norway...
aladdin2007
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Did I miss something, I dont want Frozen in Norway either, it does not belong. Thats exactly my point. Im not tossing anything out there, I was responding to what the other poster said. My argument was the movie was not as Norwegian as I had hoped, it had northern touches but didnt even brush the surface. Did something get lost in translation? I dont want to see Norway converted to Frozen, whether it be the ride or meetngreets etc.
aladdin2007
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sorry, I got totally turned around there a minute
I have a problem with the foundation of this statement.
First, lets use Frozen as an example. Prior to Disney creating Frozen, the characters did not exist, and therefore had no connection to anything already known as Disney. Once Disney created Frozen, is that when it suddenly became more Disney than attractions that have already been in a Disney theme park for decades?
From another point of view, Pirates of the Caribbean had absolutely no connection to a Disney when the ride first opened in Disneyland. Was it therefore unpopular and avoided by the park guests? Same for Haunted Mansion, Big Thunder Mountain, Soarin', Test Track, Space Mountain, Space Ship Earth, The Land, the original Journey into Imagination, Kilimanjaro Safari, Expedition Everest, and tons of others. None of those had themes that were connected to anything already known as Disney. Heck, Tower of Terror isn't even a "Disney" property, but is incredibly popular. But, once they appeared in our theme parks, they became Disney. What do they all have in common? They are high quality attractions, regardless of whether or not they were themed to something that already existed in a Disney property.
EPCOT isn't any more or less Disney than any of their properties. By your argument, the Maelstrom ride in Norway at EPCOT has been "Disney" for a lot longer than Frozen has been "Disney."
EPCOT is the third most visited theme park in the United States, and sixth in the world. I'm not sure I would say that Disney theme park fans have no interest in going to EPCOT. By the numbers, I would say that EPCOT does incredibly well with guests.
If you instead mean that guests have no interest in themed entertainment that doesn't connect one of Disney's animated features...well, that is a different conversation, but I make the same argument.
SherlockWayne
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Heck, if that's what it takes to get attractions to Epcot, I'd take most of 'em. I think Aladdin and Lady and the Tramp is pushing it, but I don't think just because something is animated, doesn't make it a valid representative story of a country. I love Epcot, love EPCOT Center even more, but I feel the advent of the travel channel made much of Epcots attractions obsolete. I don't see how a well done Ratatouille ride would be a bad fit for France, or a Mulan ride for China. If it drums up interest for that country, it still serves an inspirational/discovery purpose. The world has moved past slow-moving boat rides. People visit theme parks for experiences they can't get in the real world (or choose not to). To me, a Ratatouille ride in Epcot makes more sense than a Ratatouille ride just outside of the real Paris.
A "Frozen" overlay to Maelstrom is not ideal, but that ride is stale, and needs something to refresh it. "Frozen" may not take place in Norway, but it certainly has a Scandinavian influence. Maybe, along with an overlay, the focus of the pavilion would shift as well to a general Scandinavia theme, I don't know. Personally, I'd love to see a Thor-inspired overlay that focuses on the mythology to skirt the pesky Universal Marvel exclusivity issues. At this point though, I'd take almost anything, as long as it was done well.
RSoxNo1
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I'll preface this by saying I dislike characters in World Showcase. When there is a demand for something or something is done well, most fans couldn't care less about whether it fits in thematically. Case in point: Splash Mountain and Soarin'.
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