SpaceMountain77
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After visiting WDW for 9 days in August, I realized that if I still want to Discover the Wonder, then I need to limit my Epcot journey to Future World West and, specifically, The Land and The Seas.
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Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?
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Mike S
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Vikings are part of their history, trolls part of their legends, Polar Bears actually live there and they do have oil rigs. Anna, Elsa and pals are no where to be seen because they are cartoons made by an American animation studio. THEY. DO. NOT. BELONG!!!!!!!!
Big Bad Wolf
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I have worked with Disney for the last 21 years Finally, we have started to update and change "stale" features and the majority doesn't want change. What a sad day when change can depress the general public.
And like Frozen, the trolls are fictional. But unlike Frozen, they are actually part of Norweigian culture. They weren't inspired by it....
PlutoHasFleas
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How does Disney increase profits without pleasing guests?
Right, because Nemo was a well done overlay of Living Seas.
So Nemo doesn't belong in The Living Seas, yank Caballeros from GFT, and why is Phineas & Ferb even in WS at all?
Mike S
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Now you're getting it.
PlutoHasFleas
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I was being sarcastic, lol.
How about by building new pavilions and stop cutting entertainment options? Like they had done all those years prior.....
Darn good questions for TDO. Or a podcast....
danlb_2000
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There are plenty of ways, here are a couple examples...
- Disney has increased ticket prices at a rate much higher then the rate of inflation.
- Recently they eliminated the parade from AK without a replacement but you still have to pay the same price to get in.
- In the past Epcot eliminated an entire pavilion without replacing it, but again they didn't reduce the price.
All of these things were good for Disney profits, but it's hard to argue any of this pleased guests. Any time Disney cuts, or reduces something without a replacement or corresponding reduction in ticket price it is a win for Disney profits and a loss for customers.
PlutoHasFleas
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I have, as well as other WDW forums. I wasn't basing my understanding of the discourse over this update solely off this thread.
PlutoHasFleas
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1. The rate of inflation is not the sole factor of ticket prices going up. The costs of new and upcoming projects at WDW such as New Fanatsyland, Avatar Land, and Disney Springs will be subsidized by increases in ticket prices, we saw this with the $5 raise only for MK to pay for New Fantasyland.
2. Again, parades and other live entertainment are very expensive and attract minimal guests. They are the easiest to close down to subsidize the costs of the three major projects that they are in the middle of. I expect once early phases of Avatar Land become available to the public, AK will bump there ticket prices up $5 as well. The same way I would expect to pay to park in the new parking structure at Disney Springs once open.
3. Are you speaking of the Millinneum Pavilion, which is currently still used for special events?
I don't know if guests are ever pleased by spending more money, but with the amount of new experiences recently delivered and still on the way, most will be understanding of the very slight differences in costs.
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SpaceMountain77
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No, I certainly do not go for the Nemo clam-mobile. Rather, I visit for observation and viewing areas and non-human animal encounters.
Matt_Black
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I believe that's in reference to the Wonders of Life Pavilion.
PlutoHasFleas
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Thank you. I was stuck in WS. I hardly think WoL was something to complain about being shut down. The 80's mall simulator and expensive science fair were chewing up money just keeping them open. I miss the giant DNA sculpture, but good riddance.
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cw1982
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Except that for those of us whose objections you have misconstrued, those things you were being sarcastic about are the issue. If the sisters and Olaf become part of a new version of Maelstrom, the same concept that put those other characters in Epcot has been taken a step further in a way that downplays the things in Norwegian history and culture that have the potential to be exciting without the help of an American cartoon.
Disney crows about their quarterly profits on a routine basis. The rise in pricing for everything, from tickets to food, merchandise, and hotel rooms are all part of this, and not to merely "subsidize" future projects. There is a greater concern for ROI and maintaining quarterly profit rates than continuing to provide the same levels of entertainment that brought them to these levels in the first place.
And if TDO is so against parades, why did they debut a new one just this year? One that does bring guests to the parade route every day? They can afford both the parades and entertainment, along with the entertainment acts that played a role in helping to achieve the success they currently enjoy....
danlb_2000
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1. In the past the the ticket prices where not increasing at a rate anywhere near what they are recently, yet they managed to add entire new parks every few years. We are now getting major new additions to parks at about the same rate were were getting entire new parks in the past.
2. Again, in the past there were able to add major new additions without having to close anything.
3. Wonders of life. You may not have liked it, but it doesn't change the fact that it was an major elimination without an replacement. Maybe a better example for you is Imageworks. Also, by your assertion, things are cut so other things can be added, what major things were added to Epcot after Wonders of Life was cut?
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danlb_2000
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Also, take a look at some the of analysis @ParentsOf4 has done. It shows that even though prices are at record levels, capitol spending on the parks is down from what it was in the past.
cw1982
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The problem is that the general nature of the pavilion has already been compromised. The church, which used to be more about Viking culture, has been transformed into a justification of how Frozen fits into the pavilion. Many of the CM's who work that pavilion are being dismissed, and not just the ones who work the ride, so clearly more drastic changes are coming than just shutting down Maelstrom for a few months to make improvements.
And while Arendale might be based on a real place, Frozen is still an American cartoon that is only loosely based on a Norwegian fairy tale, to the point where the two have very little in common.
As others have said, if TDO put a Frozen ride in a more appropriate location, many of the people who don't like the current project would be perfectly happy. But the current trajectory is illogical.
PlutoHasFleas
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Except Norway doesn't care about showcasing their history or culture anymore. And I haven't read any posts from outraged Norwegians...
I don't think Off Kilt and Mo'Rockin sincerly contributed to the parks success on their own.
In this instence, it was the cost of keeping it open combined with decreased interest that lead to its demise. And I didn't say I didn't like WoL, I loved Body Wars when I was younger, but I would rather stand in line for Test Track then check out WoL if it was still open.
CM's are not being let go because of the update. They are being relocated because of the closure.
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