Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[doctornick]

That's my point. The church was done originally in a way that was respectful to Norway. Not so much now because the Frozen references detract from the original appearance. True story: I just asked my dh, who has no background in this discussion, if he remembered much about the church at Norway from our trip. He asked me what church and said he didn't remember a church at all, and I even have a picture of him in front of it! When I showed him the picture, he said, "oh, you mean the place that is a shrine to the birthplace of Frozen? That wasn't a church." My husband is a very detail oriented kind of guy, so the fact that he didn't realize that was a church because of all the attention going to the movie is very telling for me. I wonder how many other people who are visiting WS for the first time miss the fact that the church was not intended to be a place dedicated to Frozen.

To be fair, you could have had the same conversation two years ago and he might have responded "oh, you mean the place that is a shrine to Vikings? That wasn't a church." It wasn't like the interior was housing religious ceremonies in the past.

I'm not disputing your greater point, but the Stave Church has always AFAIK been there for the exterior place-setting and not really advertised that it is a church.

 

[ABQ]

What if they just dont build anything at all? I wouldn't be upset if they just ended the DHS offerings in fall and we didn't hear about Frozen again. If it meant that money intended for Frozen went into another project I would be OK with that.

The issue is, it's not about the money intended for Frozen, but the money they are getting from Frozen. They're going to milk it till it's dry. I'm sure that's why it's not in MK, they want the audience to buy the park hopper.

 

[cw1982]

To be fair, you could have had the same conversation two years ago and he might have responded "oh, you mean the place that is a shrine to Vikings? That wasn't a church." It wasn't like the interior was housing religious ceremonies in the past.

I'm not disputing your greater point, but the Stave Church has always AFAIK been there for the exterior place-setting and not really advertised that it is a church.

True. But at least as a shrine to the Vikings it still represents culture from that region, while Frozen takes out the native culture reference and inserts an American film that has far less to do with Norway than the Vikings did. @dadddio said the church was respectful of Norway. My point was that it used to be; not so much now.

 

[dadddio]

True. But at least as a shrine to the Vikings it still represents culture from that region, while Frozen takes out the native culture reference and inserts an American film that has far less to do with Norway than the Vikings did. @dadddio said the church was respectful of Norway. My point was that it used to be; not so much now.

We disagree and that's fine.

It should be noted that my comment that it is respectful is largely based on the comments about it in this thread made by people who are against Frozen being added to Maelstrom. My thinking was that if even these people felt that the changes to stave church were respectful, then this is something that would generally be agreed upon. My mistake...

 

[cw1982]

We disagree and that's fine.

It should be noted that my comment that it is respectful is largely based on the comments about it in this thread made by people who are against Frozen being added to Maelstrom. My thinking was that if even these people felt that the changes to stave church were respectful, then this is something that would generally be agreed upon. My mistake...

Thanks for clarifying. Personally, I didn't feel like the changes to the church were respectful for the reasons I outlined above. But like you said, we can agree to disagree.

 

[ABQ]

I entered the Stave Church last December with some apprehension that what I'd find inside would be 75% Frozen and 25% what had been there in the past. Thankfully, it was the opposite, if not even less weighted by the Frozen inclusion. However, I can see why @cw1982 wasn't displeased. The cartoonification was there, no questioning it, but I felt it was rather tasteful. Again, this was prior to the current rumoured plan for Maelstrom. I think, if I knew all we had was a temporary inclusion into the Stave church and nothing further, I'd be fine. But as it feels like it was more of a test to see how it would be received and now a full blown plan, I'm bitter.

 

[Magenta Panther]

I very much prefer Princess & The Frog and Tangled over Frozen.

Frankly, I'm not crazy about any of those films - except for this one great song:



If only the rest of the movie had been this good...

 

[Mike S]

Frankly, I'm not crazy about any of those films - except for this one great song:



If only the rest of the movie had been this good...

You don't like Friends on the Other Side? That one's my favorite. I've always liked the villain songs, something I miss from the newer movies.

 

[NMBC1993]

What if they just dont build anything at all? I wouldn't be upset if they just ended the DHS offerings in fall and we didn't hear about Frozen again. If it meant that money intended for Frozen went into another project I would be OK with that.

I haven't even finished the movie. I've watched 20 minute sections here and there and have about 10 minutes left and I'm in no rush. I enjoyed Tangled more than Frozen. I've even watched Mr Banks twice already before I've finished frozen. What bothered me was when the two sisters would be talking to each other but singing.

Compared to a movie like Aladdin that has MANY awesome songs it just isn't that great of a movie. It may just be popular for the same reasons like FLE. People were so desperate for something half quality from Disney that they clung to it and now hold it up high as some of example of quality

I'm happy to see there are some people out there who feel the same way as I do. Nothing against the Frozen fanbase, I'd be defensive too if someone spoke ill of one of my favorite franchises, but as I've said in the past I just don't get the obsession. It's a cute film, but definitely nothing life changing. I think what bothers me about the movie more than anything (as you've already stated) is that the general audience is foaming at the mouth for this soundtrack that really only has 1 possibly 2 good songs. The rest are, to me nothing more then a selection of "singing what your doing" type of songs that the same people bash Randy Newman for creating. I'm curious to see in a couple of years, if Frozen still has the lasting power it does now. Everyone loved Tangled too, now Rapunzel is yesterday's news before she even got out of the gate.

As someone who is 1/2 Norwegian, I can see where they would have an issue with taking a pavilion that is "suppose" to be a representation of their culture, being trampled on for a cartoon cutout of the real thing. Here's an idea, why not just add Olaf as the narrator to the the Norway film ala O'Canada. Heck, Olaf even reminds me of Martin Short It would definitely get people to stay for the showing. Although on a side note, I guess if Frozen takes over Norway, there goes my chances of ever getting warm Lefse at the bakery. I never understood why that's not an option, my grandmother would make Lefse from scratch for me whenever I visited her, it was always served warm with a dab of butter. Yum

 

[Magenta Panther]

You don't like Friends on the Other Side? That one's my favorite. I've always liked the villain songs, something I miss from the newer movies.

Oh, that's a good one, it's just that I like "Almost There" a lot better. I think it's the best princess song (Tiana is my favorite princess next to Snow White).

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I entered the Stave Church last December with some apprehension that what I'd find inside would be 75% Frozen and 25% what had been there in the past. Thankfully, it was the opposite, if not even less weighted by the Frozen inclusion. However, I can see why @cw1982 wasn't displeased. The cartoonification was there, no questioning it, but I felt it was rather tasteful. Again, this was prior to the current rumoured plan for Maelstrom. I think, if I knew all we had was a temporary inclusion into the Stave church and nothing further, I'd be fine. But as it feels like it was more of a test to see how it would be received and now a full blown plan, I'm bitter.

I must admit that my first instinct was vehement opposition to Frozen in the Stave Church. Out of an allergy to the toonification of EPCOT and previous princessification of the Norway pavilion.

But the idea has grown on me. It feels organic when characters are used to introduce cultural or technological concepts at EPCOT. Mickey and Goofy can introduce energy to a young audience. As long as the epic Universe of Energy is not mocked by turning it into, say, Mickey's Energy Adventures or that sort of lunacy. And an exposition in Japan that introduces Japanese mythology through the monsters of manga and anime is great too. As is a Frozen exposition used to showcase Norway. But Nemo is clearly a bridge too far. As is a Frozen ride. Or Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin replacing the American Adventure.

 

[ABQ]

I must admit that my first instinct was vehement opposition to Frozen in the Stave Church. Out of an allergy to the toonification of EPCOT and previous princessification of the Norway pavilion.

But the idea has grown on me. It feels organic when characters are used to introduce cultural or technological concepts at EPCOT. Mickey and Goofy can introduce energy to a young audience. As long as the epic Universe of Energy is not mocked by turning it into, say, Mickey's Energy Adventures or that sort of lunacy. And an exposition in Japan that introduces Japanese mythology through the monsters of manga and anime is great too. As is a Frozen exposition used to showcase Norway. But Nemo is clearly a bridge too far. As is a Frozen ride. Or Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin replacing the American Adventure.

Right, having just the seagulls outside The Living Seas and then some quotes from Mr Ray inside explaining colours on a certain fish or how some marine life defend themselves would have been enough in that attraction. Obviously Buzz works better inside SSE than the AA anyway, you were crazy not to see that.

 

[jt04]

I must admit that my first instinct was vehement opposition to Frozen in the Stave Church. Out of an allergy to the toonification of EPCOT and previous princessification of the Norway pavilion.

But the idea has grown on me. It feels organic when characters are used to introduce cultural or technological concepts at EPCOT. Mickey and Goofy can introduce energy to a young audience. As long as the epic Universe of Energy is not mocked by turning it into, say, Mickey's Energy Adventures or that sort of lunacy. And an exposition in Japan that introduces Japanese mythology through the monsters of manga and anime is great too. As is a Frozen exposition used to showcase Norway. But Nemo is clearly a bridge too far. As is a Frozen ride. Or Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin replacing the American Adventure.

Good that you are softening on the idea. Seas could easily have features that introduce concepts such as Oceanography to kids by using Nemo. Along with other adds that feature E-tickets on similar subjects. Just bring in James Cameron once Pandora opens.

AA could easily have 2 seperate programs featured. One in the daytime featuring Disney characters and a seperate show later in the day.

 

[Mike S]

Good that you are softening on the idea. Seas could easily have features that introduce concepts such as Oceanography to kids by using Nemo. Along with other adds that feature E-tickets on similar subjects. Just bring in James Cameron once Pandora opens.

AA could easily have 2 seperate programs featured. One in the daytime featuring Disney characters and a seperate show later in the day.

Ok, now you've just gone too far. I won't be listening to your nonsense anymore.

 

[TalkingHead]

AA could easily have 2 seperate programs featured. One in the daytime featuring Disney characters and a seperate show later in the day.

AA could "easily have two separate programs"? You can't be serious, right?

Second thought, don't answer that.

 

[jt04]

Ok, now you've just gone too far. I won't be listening to your nonsense anymore.

Like it or not, the show needs refreshing. Especially the film montage added in the 90's. That became stale within five years.

Mickey and Minnie replacing Billie Jean King would be a good thing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What if Disney tasked Walt Disney Imagineering with just coming up with their own stories and not to constantly chase the latest films? Nobody knew they liked Frozen until they saw it. What if the parks were allowed to see that sort of independent expression of creativity?

 

[jt04]

What if Disney tasked Walt Disney Imagineering with just coming up with their own stories and not to constantly chase the latest films? Nobody knew they liked Frozen until they saw it. What if the parks were allowed to see that sort of independent expression of creativity?

That ship has sailed over the edge and into the abyss.

 

[JEANYLASER]

 

[wdisney9000]

The rest are, to me nothing more then a selection of "singing what your doing" type of songs that the same people bash Randy Newman for creating.

They could overlay Maelstrom to "Burn On" and just turn it into the Cuyahoga River. I'll take that song over 'let it go' anyday