Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[DinoInstitute]

All Scots have red hair and wear tartan. And if they don't, they are not true Scotsmen.

*dammit* Again?!

 

[aladdin2007]

Somebody tell that guy about the UK pavilion.

Why? Disney has courted Scotland in the past to add its own pavilion, despite the fact of the UK pavilion there. Same with Norway,,Denmark was close to being added after it as well, in the 90s.

 

[dadddio]

Why? Disney has courted Scotland in the past to add its own pavilion, despite the fact of the UK pavilion there. Same with Norway,,Denmark was close to being added after it as well, in the 90s.

First, I seriously doubt that they were ever going to have a UK pavilion and a Scotland pavilion (outside of F&W food stands, that is). That would be like having a Canadian pavilion and a New Brunswick pavilion. Not going to happen.

Second, Norway and Denmark are distinct sovereign countries.

 

[aladdin2007]

First, I seriously doubt that they were ever going to have a UK pavilion and a Scotland pavilion (outside of F&W food stands, that is). That would be like having a Canadian pavilion and a New Brunswick pavilion. Not going to happen.

Second, Norway and Denmark are distinct sovereign countries.

Aren't you the one with all the answers. Whether you like it or not, it was very much discussed and thought about at one time. No its not going to happen, but it could have. Now back to Norway and Maelstrom.

 

[Matt_Black]

Brave is racist, because the evil bear was a black bear, and that's a stereotype! You never see an evil polar bear in movies! Those polar bears are always depicted as cute and frolicking and drinking delicious Coke products! Why can't a black bear frolic and enjoy a delicious soft drink?!?

 

[novawildcat18]

Brave is racist, because the evil bear was a black bear, and that's a stereotype! You never see an evil polar bear in movies! Those polar bears are always depicted as cute and frolicking and drinking delicious Coke products! Why can't a black bear frolic and enjoy a delicious soft drink?!?

Not a movie, but evil Polar bears do exist!

 

[Matt_Black]

Not a movie, but evil Polar bears do exist!

That polar bear is clearly asking for directions.

 

[DinoInstitute]

I think the trolls have got to you

 

[dadddio]

Aren't you the one with all the answers. Whether you like it or not, it was very much discussed and thought about at one time. No its not going to happen, but it could have. Now back to Norway and Maelstrom.

A search found the occasional post by you suggesting a Scotland pavilion then someone reminding you that they are part of the UK and then you claiming that there used to be a rumor of a Scotland pavilion. It didn't actually turn up a discussion about an interest by the company in adding a Scotland pavilion.

If there were, in fact, some old rumor about Scotland being added as a pavilion, I would remind you that not all rumors are credible. (This thread is the perfect example in that a false rumor that the entire Norway pavilion was going to be renamed as Arendelle was floated briefly.) If there was an old rumor about this, my money is that it was floated shortly prior to Y2K and it was someone's misunderstanding about the Millenium Village.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Few of the characters in the actual movie had red hair. Fergus and his children did. It isn't really uncommon for hair color to pass down, of course.

They wore tartans in the movie. Big deal.

I read somewhere that bears went extinct in Scotland around the end of the first millenium. That's a far cry from 'prehistoric'.

I think that the movie's timeframe would predate French in Scotland, but who cares? This is a Disney movie. The characters are going to be speaking English.

I think that you are trying too hard to find racism, but I guess that if you really want to find racism, you'll find it anywhere you look, right?

I see, youll be telling me folk who get offended by sports teams names are backward next.

But surely as an expert on everything youd know that one of our most famous Kings was a Norman French speaker as most nobility were at that time and the clue may be in the term, the auld alliance, in fact I find it difficult to place a time frame when the folk as depicted wouldnt be speaking a language alien to me. But then teuchters are a strange breed I blame their intimacy with sheep.

If you are happy to swallow brother bear with skirts,well its Disney so we shouldnt be surprised, good for you. Some of us would prefer a proper entertaining story based on something from our rich literary past, not hoaching with clichés and lazy narrowly defined imagery and cause lets be honest theres plenty of a past to provide inspiration.

 

[dadddio]

I see, youll be telling me folk who get offended by sports teams names are backward next.

But surely as an expert on everything youd know that one of our most famous Kings was a Norman French speaker as most nobility were at that time and the clue may be in the term, the auld alliance, in fact I find it difficult to place a time frame when the folk as depicted wouldnt be speaking a language alien to me. But then teuchters are a strange breed I blame their intimacy with sheep.

If you are happy to swallow brother bear with skirts,well its Disney so we shouldnt be surprised, good for you. Some of us would prefer a proper entertaining story based on something from our rich literary past, not hoaching with clichés and lazy narrowly defined imagery and cause lets be honest theres plenty of a past to provide inspiration.

Wow. All that because a kids' movie made primarily for the American market has the characters speaking English.

Of course you are correct. That's racism at its most devilish.

(It should be noted that the movie obviously took place several hundred years prior to the 'auld alliance'; perhaps as much as a thousand years. This is known both because there were bears and to fit the Lord's claims and Merida's speech to the clans.)

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Wow. All that because a kids' movie made primarily for the American market has the characters speaking English.

Of course you are correct. That's racism at its most devilish.

(It should be noted that the movie obviously took place several hundred years prior to the 'auld alliance'; perhaps as much as a thousand years. This is known both because there were bears and to fit the Lord's claims and Merida's speech to the clans.)

Your just gagging for the bears part to be true, the only bears youll find in the time of kilts is the bevvy merchants still roaming the country today.

It should be noted that you are correct it was made for the American market, which would explain a lot. Luckily no sports teams involved.

 

[FerretAfros]

First, I seriously doubt that they were ever going to have a UK pavilion and a Scotland pavilion (outside of F&W food stands, that is). That would be like having a Canadian pavilion and a New Brunswick pavilion. Not going to happen.

Second, Norway and Denmark are distinct sovereign countries.

Well, depending how the vote in September goes, Scotland could be its own distinct sovereign country as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014

Also keep in mind that when EPCOT Center opened, there was no real country known as "Germany"; the reunification wouldn't happen until 1989. If you check out the maps of Morocco on the front of the Restaurant Marrakesh menu, you'll see that apparently the country's boundaries include Western Sahara with complete certainty. And of course there's that pesky Equatorial Africa pavilion/African Outpost that only furthers the western misrepresentation of Africa as a single unit.

They've always been a little loosey-goosey with the countries at Epcot, so having Scotland break off wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibilities (that said, I think it's a poor use of space, and a Brave attraction would be horribly out of place there)

 

[dadddio]

Your just gagging for the bears part to be true, the only bears youll find in the time of kilts is the bevvy merchants still roaming the country today.

You are correct. Kilts are anachronistic in this movie. That doesn't make it racist, however.

It should be noted that you are correct it was made for the American market, which would explain a lot. Luckily no sports teams involved.

Why do you keep bringing up sports teams? How is that making your point?

 

[NormC]

I see, youll be telling me folk who get offended by sports teams names are backward next.

But surely as an expert on everything youd know that one of our most famous Kings was a Norman French speaker as most nobility were at that time and the clue may be in the term, the auld alliance, in fact I find it difficult to place a time frame when the folk as depicted wouldnt be speaking a language alien to me. But then teuchters are a strange breed I blame their intimacy with sheep.

If you are happy to swallow brother bear with skirts,well its Disney so we shouldnt be surprised, good for you. Some of us would prefer a proper entertaining story based on something from our rich literary past, not hoaching with clichés and lazy narrowly defined imagery and cause lets be honest theres plenty of a past to provide inspiration.

Is it wrong that I read this in Billy Connolly's voice?

 

[Matt_Black]

Is it wrong that I read this in Billy Connolly's voice?

Nope. He's a wonderful actor and comedian.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Heck, Arendelle as its own LAND could be a cash cow.

HECK yeah. I'm not even that crazy about the film, but I'd visit a Frozen Land, no question. TDO will be a total braindead failure if it doesn't take FULL advantage of the film's success and build something amazing that will forever enhance WDW as a whole. It would be a lucrative investment at the very least.

 

[Nic]

Experienced it yesterday. It really needs to go, or be amped up, because the resounding agreement in our boat was 'What just happened?'. It's confusing, disappointing, and only fun if you make fun of it. I'd hate if I was Norwegian and Maelstorm represented my country.

 

[JEANYLASER]

Disney needs updated Maelstrom to Frozen it will be great!

 

[Crazy Harry]

To be fair, it's mostly the same people complaining about it over and over.

Also, when people refer to 'the masses', they are generally talking about the general population, not a super small sliver of the population.

When talking about populations, are we meaning the WDW fan community, or just any visitors of WDW or anyone who may have an opinion on it?

If we are talking in more general terms, even if it is true that the "complainers" are a small portion of the population, is it because there is nothing to complain about, or because the general public has deplorable observation skills.

I work in retail, and in spite of hanging signs, aisle markers at the end of each aisle, neon signs on the wall, obvious displays, logically organized departments, and a store map as you enter the store, the majority who enter are completely helpless. In my department, there is the lighting and five additional aisles, yet no one can find anything. People will look at the fifty footy aisle of light bulbs (the second aisle as you enter the store) labeled with the words "light" and "bulb" and with working displays, but walk around it to ask me where the light bulbs are. The people who find the light bulb aisle ask me if I work in plumbing.

So is it the general public has nothing to complain about, or that they are incapable of making simple observations.