Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

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lebeau

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Epcot was never solely about educating and inspiring people in their lives. It was about making money. Toward that end, it's not really in their best interest to bore people. Therefore, while you clearly don't care if others weren't wowed by Epcot 1.0, the company better care.

Oh hey, is it time for someone to remind us that Disney is a business again?

Hey everyone! Disney's a business! Just wanted you to know. As a business, they can justify any and every decision by citing the profit motive. You can all go home now. There's nothing further to discus.
 

dadddio

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The park never lost out on money due to boring people.
Really? You are stating beyond a doubt as fact that no one ever was bored at Epcot and therefore spent less money. Perhaps they left to go have dinner rather than staying in the park or didn't buy a figment toy or even skipped Epcot on their next trip and went to Seaworld instead? No one EVER did any of that? Really?
 

dadddio

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Oh hey, is it time for someone to remind us that Disney is a business again?

Hey everyone! Disney's a business! Just wanted you to know. As a business, they can justify any and every decision by citing the profit motive. You can all go home now. There's nothing further to discus.
Just as long as you guys don't forget that and go on thinking that Epcot exists for some other reasons.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Over time, they chip away at what made Epcot special. They are slowly making all the parks more or less the same.

Also, it's not the loss of any of the old attractions. Future World should have been constantly changing with the times. The park should have been updated more than any other park. Disney got lazy.
E-X-A-C-T-L-Y

Ever changing, always ahead. I know it's difficult to stay ahead of the times. It's hard to have to have an entire section of a major theme park that needs to be constantly updated. Some might say impossible. Here's the thing.

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sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Really? You are stating beyond a doubt as fact that no one ever was bored at Epcot and therefore spent less money. Perhaps they left to go have dinner rather than staying in the park or didn't buy a figment toy or even skipped Epcot on their next trip and went to Seaworld instead? No one EVER did any of that? Really?
Sure, people did that.



I skip Epcot now if I can. I do not spend time or money there unless I have to. The last trip, because others wanted to, I had to go do a big family lunch at Akershus (hey, we're NEAR original thread topic here!). I spent 3 hours in the park and I left. If I had 100% control, I'd skip it completely.
 

lazyboy97o

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Really? You are stating beyond a doubt as fact that no one ever was bored at Epcot and therefore spent less money. Perhaps they left to go have dinner rather than staying in the park or didn't buy a figment toy or even skipped Epcot on their next trip and went to Seaworld instead? No one EVER did any of that? Really?
A micro anecdote is meaningless. There are people who are bored with the Magic Kingdom, Disney's Hollywood studios, Disney's Animal Kingdom, Universal Studios Florida, Islands of Adventure, Disney's California Adventure, Disneyland, Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo DisneySEA, SeaWorld Orlando, Six Flags Over Georgia, and every other theme park or every other business venture. No business makes everyone 100% satisfied. Just because you are bored doesn't mean there are not plenty of people who are not. It would seem that if the park were so much more popular now it wouldn't have so much abandoned space.
 

marni1971

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The reason that Epcot was built was to create profit for Disney's shareholders.
And more.

I can't be bothered typing it all out, but the parks design and construction period was something of a renaissance.

Those involved with planning and purse strings really thought they could change the world.

Take my word or don't. Doesn't bother me. Just at least believe my 30 something years of researching every detail of this once great park shows I know kind of what I'm talking about.
 

dadddio

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Yep, because that's what I said. :rolleyes: (I'm using this a lot this week.)

I'm sure someone thinks so. Personally, I don't. But you make the assumption that Maelstrom isn't a very good ride. That's a matter of opinion. Lots of people love it. Your assumption that everyone thinks the way you do is faulty.
I'm amused that you feel that I twisted your words when, in fact, you twised mine.

The statement that you challenged was that "Maelstrom is not that great of a ride". In other words, you think that it is a great ride. It's a good ride. A middle-of-the-road ride. It isn't a great ride. It isn't the ride you rush to. It's the ride that you go on when you get there.

The other way you twisted my words is when you act like I'm attempting to speak for everyone. In the very quote that you challenged, just before the bit that you bolded, were the following words: "in my opinion". You see, that's something you type when you are making it clear that you are not speaking for everyone and instead are merely giving your personal view. You might learn to do that in your posts.
 

dadddio

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A micro anecdote is meaningless. There are people who are bored with the Magic Kingdom, Disney's Hollywood studios, Disney's Animal Kingdom, Universal Studios Florida, Islands of Adventure, Disney's California Adventure, Disneyland, Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo DisneySEA, SeaWorld Orlando, Six Flags Over Georgia, and every other theme park or every other business venture. No business makes everyone 100% satisfied. Just because you are bored doesn't mean there are not plenty of people who are not. It would seem that if the park were so much more popular now it wouldn't have so much abandoned space.
Another thing that is useless is your presenting your opinion as fact. You don't know that the company never lost out on money due to bored people, but that didn't stop you from making the baseless (and obviously unsubtantiatable) argument.
 

cw1982

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A micro anecdote is meaningless. There are people who are bored with the Magic Kingdom, Disney's Hollywood studios, Disney's Animal Kingdom, Universal Studios Florida, Islands of Adventure, Disney's California Adventure, Disneyland, Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo DisneySEA, SeaWorld Orlando, Six Flags Over Georgia, and every other theme park or every other business venture. No business makes everyone 100% satisfied. Just because you are bored doesn't mean there are not plenty of people who are not. It would seem that if the park were so much more popular now it wouldn't have so much abandoned space.

Yep.

As anecdotal evidence of just how this works, on our last trip, I had originally thought DH and I would have plenty of time in WS if we spend a half of a day there after being in FW that morning. Boy was I wrong! DH was so enthralled with WS, wanting to take it all in and see everything, that we ended up changing our plans to make more time for WS. Personally, I could have been through the whole thing in half a day and been fine, but he was enjoying it so much that I was certainly not going to rush him. He jokingly said at one point that he needs to go back out there without me some day, so he can fully enjoy everything without boring me to tears lol... and I'd be fine with it if he did, so long as I got to go play at MK while he did it ;) We also met local friends who are AP's in WS our last night there, and they had never bothered to tour WS before. My friend said that she didn't realize how much there was to see back there, and that she is now planning to make more time for WS on her next trip. Her husband seemed to enjoy it was well. So, out of our group of 4, I'm the only one who would have been completely happy with only spending a half a day there if we weren't going back.
 

lazyboy97o

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Another thing that is useless is your presenting your opinion as fact. You don't know that the company never lost out on money due to bored people, but that didn't stop you from making the baseless (and obviously unsubtantiatable) argument.
How is it my opinion? The less boring park isn't making more money than the boring park. All you have to do is spend time learning some history and current events, but you've made it clear that learning bores you.
 

dadddio

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How is it my opinion? The less boring park isn't making more money than the boring park. All you have to do is spend time learning some history and current events, but you've made it clear that learning bores you.
No your same old argument and your method of arguing it bores me.
 

CDavid

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you think Disney is "coasting"? I just returned from a 2 week trip and I have never seen so much construction going on at one time

We've been over this before. You've never seen so much construction at Walt Disney World because things have been neglected for so long. Those years when not much of anything was being built you - not surprisingly - didn't see much construction. Given the size and pressing needs within WDW, construction efforts you are seeing now are woefully inadequate.
 
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