lebeau
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Your argument is based on a faulty assumption.
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Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?
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Your argument is based on a faulty assumption.
lazyboy97o
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There is a tipping point for Walt Disney World as has been demonstrated repeatedly by other industry leaders that are now gone or shells of their former selves. What all of those prior examples show is that there is no sign of when that point is, but once it is realized that it has been passed it is near impossible to recover.
I agree with you about Future World. It does need work. As you said especially the upstairs of Imagination and and Energy. I have said it before and will keep saying it about energy, there are things in it that are 100 pecent false. It talks about running out of conventional fuels and as we all know based on new technology the US could be the worlds largest energy exporter if it wanted to be. It is things like that, that used to get Walt excited and for Disney to just ignore that goes against everying Walt stood for, especially at EPCOT.
I appreciate the question and the respect. Please note that my response is completely my personal opinion, as such, I hope that it doesn't prompt fifty different arguments explaining to me why my personal opinion is wrong.
Energy:
In my opinion, Ellen's Energy Adventure is vastly superior to the old attraction.
Wonders:
Wonders of Life Didn't even exist back then. It didn't show up until several years after Epcot opened. Once it was opened, the primary attraction was Body Wars. Body Wars was so rough that it ruined my girlfriend (now wife) for simulator rides. So thanks Wonders, now I have to ride Star Tours alone.
Odyssey:
We never ate there. I guess that the burgers may have been the best ever, but I suspect that they were exactly like every other WDW hamburger.
Imagination:
I've never been a Figment fan. My recall of the original ride was that it was very long. It was interesting, in a things you learn in fifth grade kind of way, but that's all. The same goes for the activity area that was upstairs. I imagine that it would keep the interests of middle school aged kids, but I can't imagine people younger or older speding much time there. Come to think of it, that was kind of an ongoing theme at Epcot, as it was originally introduced.
Seas:
This is another pavilion that didn't exist in the beginning. I prefer the current pavilion to how it was once it did open. The movie and hydrolators seemed like they only existed to delay your arrival, and not in a good 'building anticipation' kind of way. There definitely wasn't enough interest in these two segments to want to experience them more than once. I personally prefer Nemo to the seacabs. The addition of Crush is another plus.
Innovations:
Innovations has always been hit or miss, to me. I remain conflicted about it's very existence.
Circle of Life:
I kind of like Circle of Life. Certainly, I like it more than Symbiosis.
'Tombstones':
I kind of hate those. Strangely, our picture is on one of them, but it was my wife's idea. I swear. I much prefer the bricks.
People decry the loss of some of the educational aspects in Epcot, but it seems to me that those only served a narrow group of guests and were not things that most people wanted to do over and over.
I agree with you, but I'll add 'new visitors' to your list. Disney markets a dream that results in loads of new people flocking to the area avery year. These people aren't going to stop coming if Disney doesn't build new attractions. Heck, most of them probably have little or no clue about what attractions are there, anyway.
Disney perhaps isn't spending money on new attraction as much as any of us would prefer, but it's not true that they aren't spending money. MM+, NFE, Avatar, Disney Springs, DVC expansion, AoA. These things all cost money. If the company decides that a big boost of attractions are necessary for the reasons that we previously discussed, they will realign the money.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
IMO Those things were not meant to serve a narrow group of guests. They were meant to serve the entire guest population. The educational aspect was meant to inspire everyone to think and dream. The entire park had a purpose. I'm sure that there are some people who didn't like the educational aspects, sure, but look at what we've lost by catering to the lowest common denominator.
Here's the original dedication for that park:
This park was meant to be something larger and more important than a series of fun rides.
I agree that there are some rides today that, as individual rides, are probably considered "better" than their original counterparts by some of the guests.
What is lost is the entire reason Epcot was built in the first place. It does not inform or inspire. It does not instill belief and pride. It does not offer hope. It's a collection of cheaply-done rides and unused pavilions.
I do not sit and wish for the rides of the past to be returned to Epcot. I wish for the PURPOSE to return to Epcot.
Edit -- I tend to be a bit of a fanatic on this topic, I mean, look at my signature. I waive this opinion around like a crazy protester with a poster-board sign. So, please, understand it's my opinion and I respect everyone's differing opinions.
lazyboy97o
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Is that why attendance is now no better?
Your always the victim, dadddio. Please remember you were the one clamoring about other Disney fan sites compared to this one. No one is trying to chase you away. Same way no one "put your kids on trial" yesterday. Did u eat paint chips as a baby?
Gomer
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Disney is still spending. But, as was deatiled earlier in this thread, spending has decreased. My point was, once costs are cut, its more difficult to go back. Disney will have a lot of explaining to do on Wall St. if they suddenly decide to go back to 90's levels of spending again. That, in and of itself, might cause future executives to pause before investing in building out the parks.
lebeau
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lebeau
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If 80's Epcot bored someone, it says more about them than it does about 80's Epcot.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
Agreed 100%. And I'll say that I don't care if someone was bored by that park. There are people that are bored at anything. Name the most exciting interesting place in the world and we can find people who would be bored by it.
If this park, with it's mission statement in tact, bored some people, who cares, as long as it inspired others to do greater things with their lives. I can guarantee that visiting EPCOT throughout the years inspired me, and I think my life as an adult is better because of it.
Now, they've reversed it. The people who don't want no edu-ma-cation with their entertainment can have a blast there. Great. The people who might have been inspired are now bored.
Oh, I forgot. Maelstrom is the best ride ever.
Ouch!Oh, I forgot. Maelstrom is the best ride ever.
Epcot was never solely about educating and inspiring people in their lives. It was about making money. Toward that end, it's not really in their best interest to bore people. Therefore, while you clearly don't care if others weren't wowed by Epcot 1.0, the company better care.
lazyboy97o
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The park never lost out on money due to boring people.
The reason that Epcot was built was to create profit for Disney's shareholders.
lebeau
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Over time, they chip away at what made Epcot special. They are slowly making all the parks more or less the same.
Also, it's not the loss of any of the old attractions. Future World should have been constantly changing with the times. The park should have been updated more than any other park. Disney got lazy.
Oh, I forgot. Maelstrom is the best ride ever.
Yep, because that's what I said.
(I'm using this a lot this week.)I'm sure someone thinks so. Personally, I don't. But you make the assumption that Maelstrom isn't a very good ride. That's a matter of opinion. Lots of people love it. Your assumption that everyone thinks the way you do is faulty.
lazyboy97o
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And it never failed at that objective. It was the Studio that was losing money. The profits from Disneyland and Walt Disney World were so great that they more than covered the losses at the Studio and kept the entire Company profitable.
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