Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

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Mike S

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And that is one of the best reasons why an overlay there is not the best idea.

I think a Frozen miniland would be fantastic tucked in behind the Circus with an entrance that takes you through a winding mountain path that takes you back past Gastons and over to the empty area behind Magic Kingdom drive. It would still be inside the Berm, and there is plenty of space for them to construct WDWs version of the "Matterhorn" along with a Frozen dark ride and even draw upon some other properties to keep building out Fantasyland.
A nice E ticket could also be built over the area currently taken up by the circus tents if expanding behind Fantasyland proves too expensive. Maybe something like this? http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/my-idea-for-a-frozen-ride.884457/
 

Tim Lohr

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I actually really like the Maelstrom finale.
It jives really well with the whole flow of the attraction, which repeatedly oscillates between "real" adventures (Vikings, polar bears, waterfalls) and fantastical ones (magical masks, trolls, more trolls).
The juxtaposition of the viking explorers and their adventures with the roiling sea beneath the drilling platform is meant to impress upon the rider the idea that the courageous spirit of the Norwegians of old is present in the men who brave the perils of the North Sea today. "Norway's spirit has always been big, always been... adventure."

It surely had more impact when it first opened and the North Sea room was an effects showcase, with lots of fog, more splashing water, and "real" lightning striking the oil rig via a large tesla coil mounted in the ceiling.

I'm not saying "I" don't like or understand what the finale of Maelstrom is supposed to be about, I don't think the average person gets it, and the fact that it's in b-mode isn't helping, it's like "disco yeti". You have the big overly complex special effect at the end of the ride... which "would be" great, except it doesn't work.

If you're riding it today for the first time it doesn't make much sense, it's ride almost entirely about nature and mythology, and has this anti-climatic ending of a big dark room with a model of an oil rig in it... which just seems weird. I think people are skipping the movie because the ride in it's current state just isn't that good, and apparently the top brass at Disney are hearing that people aren't liking it, so their solution is "tear it all out and put Frozen in, because everybody seems to really like that" instead of fixing the ending of the ride.

They either need to figure out how to keep the North Sea special effects up and running, or replace the oil rig with something that doesn't require the effects... something from Norse mythology would be help tie the ride together thematically, but the ending of the ride is the main problem I see with the ride as it is now
 
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Bocabear

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The original ending to the ride was much better when all effects were working, but that scene always seemed a little shoehorned in... they needed a little more space to make it all a better climax... then the quiet village disembark station/theater holding pen seems oddly still...like the pacing of the experience is off there...it just stops dead...Maybe if the movie tied directly into the ride...The last thing you see on the ride is the Oil rig storm...maybe the film should begin with a storm in the North Sea to pick up where the ride left off, and bring the story forward... Like they did with the original SEAS pavilion... The Living Seas film ends with "Imagine a world"...then you walk into that very world...It was seemless and brilliant.
 

morningstar

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Awesome post!
I think the sponsors of the Norwegian pavilion insited they be represented for their petrodolla...erm krones. And so we were stuck with that weird oil rig that I think nobody appreciates but they themselves.

SAS (an airline) were the sponsors of Norway. Not sure why they would care particularly about oil rigs.
 

morningstar

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The original ending to the ride was much better when all effects were working, but that scene always seemed a little shoehorned in... they needed a little more space to make it all a better climax... then the quiet village disembark station/theater holding pen seems oddly still...like the pacing of the experience is off there...it just stops dead...

It matches the pacing of the film, in which we see wild and loud adventures, then immediately cut to silence and a little boy touching a Viking ship in a museum. "The spirit of Norway - is in its people." There is a "Still waters run deep" message here. The town in the unload area corresponds to the people of Norway. I think it is a very surprising approach but very effective.
 

GoofGoof

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You know, getting a Frozen overlay doesn't prevent future stuff from coming. The Little Mermaid and BatB shows in DHS didn't prevent attractions in MK.
They won't have a Frozen ride in 2 different parks. If this happens, that's the ride. They could replace LM show at DHS with Frozen, include a scene from Frozen in Philharmagic or add characters to a meal or parade but there won't be another ride.
 

Magenta Panther

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And that is one of the best reasons why an overlay there is not the best idea.

I think a Frozen miniland would be fantastic tucked in behind the Circus with an entrance that takes you through a winding mountain path that takes you back past Gastons and over to the empty area behind Magic Kingdom drive. It would still be inside the Berm, and there is plenty of space for them to construct WDWs version of the "Matterhorn" along with a Frozen dark ride and even draw upon some other properties to keep building out Fantasyland.

This is BRILLIANT!!! I wish you worked for TDO (and had enough clout to make this happen).
 

EpcoTim

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It matches the pacing of the film, in which we see wild and loud adventures, then immediately cut to silence and a little boy touching a Viking ship in a museum. "The spirit of Norway - is in its people." There is a "Still waters run deep" message here. The town in the unload area corresponds to the people of Norway. I think it is a very surprising approach but very effective.

Also, the town is a port of calm and peace, a welcoming entry point after a journey on the cold and unforgiving seas.

The only problem is the rough waters aren't very rough and are way to short-lived to really be effective.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
This is BRILLIANT!!! I wish you worked for TDO (and had enough clout to make this happen).
I can't claim complete credit for the idea.

If you go over to the imagineering forum, you'll find someone made a whole mock up proposal...though his placement was different as I recall and he didn't have the winding path past Gastons. But, my point is, I'm not the only (or the first) to think of it.

You should check it out. His work is excellent!

I would post a direct link, but I am on my phone.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Also, the town is a port of calm and peace, a welcoming entry point after a journey on the cold and unforgiving seas.

The only problem is the rough waters aren't very rough and are way to short-lived to really be effective.
When the raging storm effects and lightning were working (including the tesla coils), it was far more turbulent...and one if the reasons why, once upon a time, it was my third favorite ride at EPCOT.
 

Tim Lohr

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Awesome post!
I think the sponsors of the Norwegian pavilion insited they be represented for their petrodolla...erm krones. And so we were stuck with that weird oil rig that I think nobody appreciates but they themselves. Not the designers, not the riders. Not that an oil rig is off-limits itself - Exxon gave us one too in the Energy Exchange. But that one felt fitting, in a hands-on exhibit space. But on a short ride showcasing Norway? Most Norwegians do, in fact, go about their daily lives a 1000 miles removed from any North Sea oil platforms. (Even if their product pays for their excessive standard of living, grrr)

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At Maelstrom the rig feels sudden, indeed, as you say, an abrupt change in tone. You simply can't do too much in such a short ride. I wish the designers would've opted for a more cohesive story, more focused. Like your music video analogy. That works so much better if you don't have ten to fifteen minutes at your disposal. Wish they would've just gone with the trolls and mythology and left modern Norway for the post-ride movie or an exhibit.

Yeah, the ride portion suffers from trying to cover too much information with too little time, but isn't that what the movie is for? I think they should definitely include the oil rig stuff, but I also think the scenes of the "real" oil rig and the "real" North Sea are a lot more powerful and dramatic in the movie, I think they are actually the best scenes in the movie and they are the only scenes that aren't terribly dated today

The best things about the ride are the things that are unique to Norway, we have offshore oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico so that's probably not the best note to end on, but everybody loves the trolls and Vikings because you don't see that here in America everyday.

If there's one problem with World Showcase as a whole, it's that it defines these countries "culture" by architecture, food, and authentic souvenirs, but the art, music, mythology, fiction... the "Fun stuff" the leave out. Instead of trying stick their cartoon characters into WS they should be asking themselves, "What do they do for fun in Italy and Germany and Japan? what sort of celebrations do they have?" and then make a ride about that. I keep hearing the Imagineers of today joke that Marc Davis always did scenes in rides of people and animals drinking... really he did scenes of people and animals partying because he knew it was fun
 

michael.fumc

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They won't have a Frozen ride in 2 different parks. If this happens, that's the ride. They could replace LM show at DHS with Frozen, include a scene from Frozen in Philharmagic or add characters to a meal or parade but there won't be another ride.
I don't know if I believe that, I agree that if they do that it will be the "Frozen " ride for a while, but if it maintains it's popularity like B&B, LM, I think that we would see a Beauty and the Beast like presences at MK, Resturant, Storytime, and maybe a ride. But, it will be a while, but if this doesn't happen it will be a while.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
They did, along with support from the Norwegian government the group combined was called Norshow.
Right, it was SAS who sponsored the film. Other sponsors included:
  • Selmer-Sande Construction
  • Den Norske Creditbank
  • Vesta-Gruppen Insturance/Finance
  • Norcem Industrial
  • Kosmos Shipping
  • Det Norske Veritas Marine Insurance
  • Frionor Norsk Frossenfisk Seafood
  • Norsk Data Technology
  • Norway Foods LTD
The sponsors all get nods in the fishing village signs at the end of the ride, which is what I recalled.

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So, I wasn't crazy! <grin>
 

Matt_Black

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Well, given the rush nature
They won't have a Frozen ride in 2 different parks. If this happens, that's the ride. They could replace LM show at DHS with Frozen, include a scene from Frozen in Philharmagic or add characters to a meal or parade but there won't be another ride.

Again they have Toy Story rides in both MK and DHS, and those rides aren't even all that different from each other conceptually. I'm saying that considering the success of Frozen, if TDO feels there's a demand for two Frozen rides, then there's gonna be two Frozen rides.
 

GoofGoof

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Well, given the rush nature


Again they have Toy Story rides in both MK and DHS, and those rides aren't even all that different from each other conceptually. I'm saying that considering the success of Frozen, if TDO feels there's a demand for two Frozen rides, then there's gonna be two Frozen rides.
True, but Buzz Lightyear doesn't feature all of the characters from the movie. TSMM has the full cast of characters. Unless the Frozen overlay for EPCOT is just Olaf it's not really the same thing. While anything is possible I still think there's only a remote shot that they would build a second Frozen ride if there is already one at EPCOT. It's likely they could do some other things like keep the meet and greet in MK or add Frozen to either shows, parades or character meals. This is all speculation at this point anyway, so we can agree to disagree. I'm just not buying that they will build a second Frozen ride.
 
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