Frozen in Tokyo vs Epcot

[marni1971]

I don't think anyone would argue with that. I think the better question is whether a Frozen ride and new meet and greet is better than nothing because the reality is those were the most likely options at WDW.

In the case of damn the story, damn the theme and damn the park? It isn't better.

There's always an option. They just took the one that suited their cause.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Another question is how much hate would WDW get if they announced the exact same Tokyo expansion for MK today and put it where autopia is? People would be livid they were removing autopia, livid they were adding more Frozen when it's already "taken over the parks", and livid they were spending more money on MK when HS and Epcot are so in need of some love. There would be so much hate they'd probably crash the forum.

I get we all have our ideas of what WDW should do but it gets old reading post after post about everything being terrible, no matter what WDW does people here hate it (and usually the same group of people). New hub to help traffic = hate it. New bypass to help traffic = hate it! New fantasyland = hate it! Pandora = hate it! New Disneysprings = hate it! New DVC = hate it! New Soarin theater = hate it! New TSMM track = hate it! No matter what Disney does people hate it.

If you only read this forum you'd think everything WDW has done over the last 25 years has been absolutely terrible. I enjoy the forum for updates but usually avoid the back and forth, today I have an hour to kill so I thought I'd join the festivities.

 

[marni1971]

The Haunted Mansion and Hall of Presidents attraction refurbs were very well done.

 

[Travel Junkie]

Only in your mind are a ride and a new land comparable.

It’s an apple’s to apple’s comparison because we are comparing how each resort chose to incorporate Frozen into their parks. WDW chose to overlay an existing attraction and keep costs down with the only addition being a meet and greet building. Tokyo chose a much more elaborate route.

It seems as though you are focused on ride vs ride only so how’s this. I’m going to make a not so bold prediction. Based on the money allocated to each ride and information from insiders, the Frozen ride in Tokyo will blow away the ride in WDW.

 

[Mike S]

Another question is how much hate would WDW get if they announced the exact same Tokyo expansion for MK today and put it where autopia is? People would be livid they were removing autopia, livid they were adding more Frozen when it's already "taken over the parks", and livid they were spending more money on MK when HS and Epcot are so in need of some love. There would be so much hate they'd probably crash the forum.

I get we all have our ideas of what WDW should do but it gets old reading post after post about everything being terrible, no matter what WDW does people here hate it (and usually the same group of people). New hub to help traffic = hate it. New bypass to help traffic = hate it! New fantasyland = hate it! Pandora = hate it! New Disneysprings = hate it! New DVC = hate it! New Soarin theater = hate it! New TSMM track = hate it! No matter what Disney does people hate it.

If you only read this forum you'd think everything WDW has done over the last 25 years has been absolutely terrible. I enjoy the forum for updates but usually avoid the back and forth, today I have an hour to kill so I thought I'd join the festivities.

It could've easily gone to DHS if it needed to.

 

[TheGhostWithTheMost]

$40,000 a year "Manager" in wrinkly Dockers arrived to make it rain extra Fastpasses and free churros.

$40,000 is generous. Really generous.

 

[Admiral01]

Unless you've been to Tokyo Disneyland, you might want to hold back on that sentiment.

I've been to Tokyo Disneyland/DisneySea multiple times, and the stuff their CM's do wouldn't fly with 21st century Americans who are blubbery, flubbery, and deserve a DAS return time or Re-Admission Pass or free churro for any perceived slight or any hint of a problem.

In Tokyo, the art of customer service is an honorable one, but if something goes wrong or a ride breaks down they don't automatically give out Re-Admission Passes or re-book your FP+ time for another ride. Instead, they apologize profusely, bow repeatedly, explain that it was a technical problem beyond their control, and then invite you to leave and enjoy the rest of the park until their ride can reopen and you can return to join the end of the 120 minute long Standby line again. If CM's tried that in America, the blubbery WalMart crowd in their ECV's wearing their DVC points on their sleeve would scream bloody murder until a $40,000 a year "Manager" in wrinkly Dockers arrived to make it rain extra Fastpasses and free churros.

If the OLC ever took over management of WDW or Disneyland, the high standards of behavior wouldn't just extend to the CM's staffing the rides and maintaining the facilities. The OLC would expect the same high standards of behavior from the paying customers, and that's something most entitled and lazy 21st century Americans who are "SPECIAL!" just wouldn't be able to live up to.

Unless you've been to Tokyo Disneyland and understand the centuries old Japanese culture of honor and respect, be careful what you wish for.

Which is a great reason why OLC should take over. Teach some manners to the WDW clientele.

 

[twebber55]

In the case of damn the story, damn the theme and damn the park? It isn't better.

There's always an option. They just took the one that suited their cause.

to me it seems like the question wdi had to ask themselves was do we want to make the MK more crowded and maybe have a better fit or disperse the crowds more by putting frozen in epcot?
not saying I agree with that just think that was probably the line of thinking

 

[twebber55]

It’s an apple’s to apple’s comparison because we are comparing how each resort chose to incorporate Frozen into their parks. WDW chose to overlay an existing attraction and keep costs down with the only addition being a meet and greet building. Tokyo chose a much more elaborate route.

It seems as though you are focused on ride vs ride only so how’s this. I’m going to make a not so bold prediction. Based on the money allocated to each ride and information from insiders, the Frozen ride in Tokyo will blow away the ride in WDW.

I have no doubt the TDS ride will blow the epcot ride out

 

[ChrisFL]

New Fantasyland is a downgrade from what was planned. The original had both a longer mine train and Pixie Hollow.

Rasulo came along and dropped them and inserted a trio of meet n greets instead of mine train and kept the tents to save money. Staggs came along and reinserted a smaller train ride but kept the tents for a cheap, minimally themed "new" area to market. And we lost a dark ride to compensate for the lack of MG.

So it was upgraded. Upgraded from a poor proposal. And downgraded from the original proposal.

Edit - I see this was mentioned above.

I didn't know they were going to keep tbe Pixie stuff AND the mine train....interesting

 

[FigmentJedi]

Another question is how much hate would WDW get if they announced the exact same Tokyo expansion for MK today and put it where autopia is? People would be livid they were removing autopia, livid they were adding more Frozen when it's already "taken over the parks", and livid they were spending more money on MK when HS and Epcot are so in need of some love. There would be so much hate they'd probably crash the forum.

Except most people see the Tomorrowland Speedway plot as expendable and have wanted something new to go there for some time.

 

[sedati]

At first sight this looks impressive, but then after slogging through the various rants on these forums I notice this artwork lacks the many key elements every WDWMAGIC fan must have to maintain vacation sanity.
First, there are no TREES whatsoever in the village square (hub)- all I see is a concrete (probably cobblestone) wasteland. Not only are there no trees in the land's hub, there are NO BENCHES! Do the Japanese not sit? And where is the stroller parking? Does this look sufficiently ECV accessible? Will GAC be honored- with re-rideability?
Wasn't Frozen a failure (box office doesn't equal quality.) The line for this horrible thing I don't want to ride is going to be way too long.
FAIL FAIL FAIL. BOO IGER ETC...

 

[Rutt]

It’s an apple’s to apple’s comparison because we are comparing how each resort chose to incorporate Frozen into their parks. WDW chose to overlay an existing attraction and keep costs down with the only addition being a meet and greet building. Tokyo chose a much more elaborate route.

It seems as though you are focused on ride vs ride only so how’s this. I’m going to make a not so bold prediction. Based on the money allocated to each ride and information from insiders, the Frozen ride in Tokyo will blow away the ride in WDW.

Would it be fair for someone to say that WDW is the best based on Beauty and The Beast? Tht is essentially what people are doing here. WDW has much better theming for BATB at the moment than any other park that I can think of at the moment, hell, again DLR only has a show dedicated to this highly successful franchise that's been around much longer. Can we say that based on this DLR is cheap and getting ripped off?

Look, I get it. We get a cheap overlay of a mildly entertaining ride while Tokyo gets a potentially awesome new land. I would love to have that potentially built here. I'd love to have Carsland as well. The Paris Ratatouille area at DLP is some of the best theming I've ever seen. I bet every park who doesn't have these themed areas wishes they did. I bet many of them would love BOG or Gastons as well. I can almost guarantee that the land going in DAK is gonna have people overseas drooling. I wonder they will have thread after thread talking about how they wish their parks were run by Orlando?

 

[Rutt]

Except most people see the Tomorrowland Speedway plot as expendable and have wanted something new to go there for some time.

Until they announce something new going there, then the hate will pour in...

 

[Flippin'Flounder]

Would it be fair for someone to say that WDW is the best based on Beauty and The Beast? Tht is essentially what people are doing here. WDW has much better theming for BATB at the moment than any other park that I can think of at the moment, hell, again DLR only has a show dedicated to this highly successful franchise that's been around much longer. Can we say that based on this DLR is cheap and getting ripped off?

You do realize the part of Tokyo's FLE is going to be a BATB dark ride inside the castle (Not just a mountain with a castle on top)

 

[Mike S]

You do realize the part of Tokyo's FLE is going to be a BATB dark ride inside the castle (Not just a mountain with a castle on top)

It'll be great. I'm seriously considering saving up for my first TDR trip when all this opens.

 

[Flippin'Flounder]

Isn't HKDL also owned by the OLC? In comparison to these plans for Tokyo, what's going on there?

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

Isn't HKDL also owned by the OLC? In comparison to these plans for Tokyo, what's going on there?

No. Hong Kong Disneyland is jointly owned by the Government of Hong Kong and the Walt Disney Company. In terms of what's going on there, only the Iron Man Experience (a simulator replacement for Star Tours) is being built currently. It is rumored Toy Story Mania is coming soon after.

 

[Flippin'Flounder]

No. Hong Kong Disneyland is jointly owned by the Government of Hong Kong and the Walt Disney Company. In terms of what's going on there, only the Iron Man Experience (a simulator replacement for Star Tours) is being built currently. It is rumored Toy Story Mania is coming soon after.

Thank you

 

[marni1971]

to me it seems like the question wdi had to ask themselves was do we want to make the MK more crowded and maybe have a better fit or disperse the crowds more by putting frozen in epcot?
not saying I agree with that just think that was probably the line of thinking

Oh, it was their thinking. That and boosting the parks figures and associated increase in takings. But will it really push that more attandence to the MK? How many more little girls would visit who wouldn't do anyway? Or will they now be taken to a park by mom and dad that they wouldn't normally visit?

That being the case DHS was a prime candidate too.

However it would also have helped NFL in having more substance than it has at present.