polynesiangirl
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I know I already commented here, but I am just so sad for this family. Good God, what a horrible thing to go through. I am going to be hugging my children extra hard today.
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From the OS: Gator drags child into Seven Seas Lagoon
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Marco226
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Nope. If we let bad parenting to continue, then more horrible things will happen. We need to stop being so soft on people who make bad decisions that destroy other people's lives.
danlb_2000
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According to a CNN article 23 fatalities from un-provoked alligator attacks in Florida since 1948. That is one every 3 years.
I'm not sure the technology has been creative that bonds asphalt to H20.
betty rose
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We saw a 6 foot snake on the path next to the adult pool at Saratoga Springs. It didn't deter us from enjoying our vacation, and we had one 10 year old grandson with us. I told Disney, as it was coming at us, and we were running backward. When ever you are outside it's good to look around. But this snake came out of the shrubs so fast , it came out of no where. The sounds of the water at the pool is probably what attracted it. It was very hot that day, mid 90's and I suspect it was looking for water relief. Wildlife lives on the Disney property, please be aware. We carry a flashlight when we are out at night.
Phicinfan
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Who's life was destroyed other than that family and that child? The father was right there, the child had just wandered off. Its not like they were drinking and partying and not caring. Seriously, maybe you should teach us all how to walk on water when you are done resting from creating the world....
What do you recommend the punishment be Dr. Spock?
I think the alligator is currently leading but just by a few if we just look at just recent deaths. If we look at attacks then alligators widen the gap a good bit.
Including this current case alligators are at I believe 4 deaths for the last year. Naegleria Fowleri is around 2.
There was however a rather long dry spell for gator related deaths between 2007 and 2015. Our brain eating friend seems to kill about 1-3 people per year.
Coaster Lover
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Not sure you have to be sorry for asking that... or at least if you were, you are not the only one thinking along those lines... or at least the lines I presume you are thinking... when the story first came out, there were some pieces in the story that had me wondering if this could potentially be fraud...
1. 4-year old playing in a playpen but the 2-year old wandering free?
2. No similar incidents EVER at Disney
3. Such attacks being exceptionally rare
4. Seems the father had a hold of the child but lost in the struggle (as a parent, if I was in the same situation, the gator would have had to take me down too)
Cases like the Casey Anthony in recent memory have made it tough to believe even the parents in cases where (it would seem) a child is killed. I had certainly considered the possibility of the parents having previously done something terrible to this child and now using the gator story as a cover-up (possibly with further motive to pursue legal action against one of the richest companies in the world). Hopefully, with witnesses to the actual attack, that theory can be quickly debunked.
punkabella
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I'm so sorry for the child, the family, the gators (that have been caught and killed to see if there are human remains), witnesses and visitors there at this time. It's a tragic event no matter who is to blame.
There are thousands of desensitized gators in Florida. However, almost all gators are territorial creatures and will defend their young. We really have no idea what gator this is and likely never will. There's no point in trying to find a gator. People also keep thinking they are going to find remains in a gator. I could be wrong, but I'm not even sure people know the child was eaten. Most gators would bite a human and spit it out because they know we are not prey. If anything, the child died from drowning and the body is in the murky waters. Not in the gator.
The point is, the majority of you keep assuming things and the reality is we will never know the full details no matter how hard law enforcement tries or how hard the media exaggerates. It is what it is: a horrible situation. The best thing to do is educate people so this doesn't happen again. There are alligators being fed crap intentionally or unintentionally everyday on Disney property. There are many Florida alligator attacks happening yearly.
If anything, I'm surprised it's taken this long for something like this to happen.
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I cannot believe I'm reading the words "bad parenting" here. So disgustingly sanctimonious of you.
Reserve the term "bad parenting" for people who actually hurt and abuse their kids. Not the ones who lovingly take them on a vacation to Disney and spend quality time with them.
There's a lot of sick, disgusting, horrible parents in the world. And it's vile to group these poor grieving people who just lost their child in a freak accident into the same category.
durangojim
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I feel horrible for the family and can't imagine what they're going through. I also fear for any family or guest who (if the body isn't found) finds a body floating in the lagoon or Bay Lake in the future. I think when people are on vacation they feel like they're in a protective bubble where no harm can come to them and don't think about possible risks depending on their location or situation. This is an example of this along with people in Yellowstone trying to take a picture of themselves standing next to a bison. My point is that bad things can happen and we can only reduce risk but not eliminate it completely.
HM Spectre
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It's really easy to judge the parents when you aren't in their shoes (or aren't a parent yourself).
Every parent, myself included, has had a moment with their child where something could've happened if we were the unlucky ones. How many other parents let their kids dip their feet in Seven Seas and didn't see them get attacked?
Rather than passing condemnation at the drop of a hat without all information, how about offering some compassion to a family who lost their boy?
Tragedies happen. Not every one of them requires cracking down hard on a scapegoat. If you don't think that right now, the parents are blaming themselves (whether or not they're even at fault) more than you ever could, I don't know what to tell you.
Leave them be. They've gone through enough.
asianway
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Time to close Florida
JohnD
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Yes, there is a point: finding the remains of the child so that the family can have closure and bury him. It's no longer a rescue mission but a recovery mission. They keep catching and examining every gator until the remains are found. I'll add to your point that they also drag the lagoon.
Rutt
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I admit you have a problem. Not sure how one fixes it. I know what mine would be if I were there. I agree with you that people are stupid. These posts confirm it without doubt
As for these parents, I wasn't there and can't even pretend to understand how they must feel. I know I feel sick to my stomach and (manly or not) have been brought to tears just thinking about the poor child. I also know on my heart that regardless of what actually happened and who's fault it may or may not be, these parents will forever blame themselves and two other children's lives will be irreperably damaged forever. You can take some solace in that oh mighty keyboard warrior.
I think searching the lagoon is very important and agree that closure is important. But there are likely dozens of gators in that lagoon. In that sense, capturing gators until a body is found is a bit ridiculous because they could search every last gator and never find a body.
Nemo14
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I'm not sure what has sickened me more about this story - the unfathomable tragedy of a father seeing his young son being taken to his death despite his heroic efforts to save him, or the unbelivable insensitive judgements laid out on this family on this forum for "bad parenting".
sublimesting
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1. It was movie night, the 2 year old became bored so they went for a walk.
2 and 3. There is rarely a similar incident until one happens. Alligator attacks on humans happen rarely BUT alligator attacks on small prey happen in the thousands daily. In this instance the child was small prey.
4. The gator would win every time. They are a multitude stronger than you or I. This reminds me of a question someone posed before: Who would win in a boxing match Mike Tyson or a Gorilla. Answer: Tyson would be killed outright and probably not even land a blow and if he did it would have zero effect. Animals always win.
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