From the OS: Gator drags child into Seven Seas Lagoon

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Daveeeeed

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I think you need to take it down a bunch of notches. Are you angry that the kid died, or that people are defending Disney against what was pretty much an act of God? How exactly would you have had them prevent it? Do you have kids? If so, how will you make sure that nothing bad ever happens to them. Do you expect others to do it for you?
The warnings that Disney had were reasonable. This has never happened in the 45 years WDW has been around. Many things happen because of a lack of imagination of what could happen, and this was one of them.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Disney knew that there were gators in Seven Seas Lagoon. :banghead: I am very upset that the kid lost his life. I'm not mad at the gator it was just using its instincts to live. I don't think Disney is to blame for the gator directly attacking the kid, but I am upset that they haven't had any form of warning when THEY KNEW that gators could potentially be there. I am not mad at Disney, nor the kids parents, but I do think this could have been prevented had Disney had proper signage, and the water should be closed at night especially knowing that they're are gators whether it is likely or not, but I do think this was one of those scenarios that has to happen before you do something major, but signs SHOULD have been up as at the Shades across the street they have them, sure you see many more at the Shades, but knowing there are gators in or near a body of water there should absolutely be signs up warning of wildlife. I don't think they need ropes along the shore, or anything excessive out of fears for an extremely rare event, but just signs that warn against wildlife like gators and snakes would be nice!
 
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durangojim

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Disney knew that there were gators in Seven Seas Lagoon. :banghead: I am very upset that the kid lost his life. I'm not mad at the gator it was just using its instincts to live. I don't think Disney is to blame for the gator directly attacking the kid, but I am upset that they haven't had any form of warning when THEY KNEW that gators could potentially at least be there.
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rnese

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I stayed at the Poly 8 years ago when my son was 4. We were swimming at night in the volcano pool then walked to the beach to get ready for fireworks. My son ventured into the water. At the time we thought it was cute. Got a couple pics, then called him out. Maybe 3 minutes total in the water.

Boy, do I feel for these parents. I will pray for them on Sunday at church.

Unfortunately, in today's society, there MUST be a VILLAIN when a tragedy takes place, and it CAN'T simply be the actual actor. It must be something BIGGER. So expect Disney to suffer because, after all they are a "BIG CORPORATION", and by definition"evil" according to some.
 

21stamps

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I think you need to take it down a bunch of notches. Are you angry that the kid died, or that people are defending Disney against what was pretty much an act of God? How exactly would you have had them prevent it? Do you have kids? If so, how will you make sure that nothing bad ever happens to them. Do you expect others to do it for you?
The warnings that Disney had were reasonable. This has never happened in the 45 years WDW has been around. Many things happen because of a lack of imagination of what could happen, and this was one of them.
I'm going to give these parents the benefit of the doubt and say they won't sue.

Reason and logic say that you shouldn't sue in this incident.

I thought for sure the mother at the Cincinnati Zoo would launch a lawsuit.. Luckily she didn't.

I think the majority of Americans aren't as lawsuit happy as a select few.
 

HouseHacker97

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I'm almost certain they knew that there were gators in Florida, but seriously, the beach has no warnings, it feels inviting etc.
I've never had any problem with walking along the water, but knowing about the waterways that connect to Bay Lake plus that we stay at The Shades of Green which is across the street and has alligator warning signs, and alligators that I've seen sunbathing next to standard walkways around the resort, has always made me think that there were gators in Seven Seas Lagoon too.
Though someone without knowledge of the connecting waterways, and the close proximity to signage posted for natural alligator habitats makes me believe that they truly didn't think gators could be there. I guarantee that the majority of people not an active goer to WDW truly don't even consider there being Gators on this part of the WDW property. There really should be signs up in a place where you wouldn't expect gators to be especially at a hotel. I don't care even if it is the smallest chance, but there really should be something. No matter what though, nothing relieves of this tragedy.
Actually there are warning signs from all vantage points near the hotels and Disney regularly relocates gators immediately. I think it's rediculous people are blaming Disney for this. The parents let their 2 year old alone in a foot of pitch black water late at night in waters they were warned to not enter. I'm sorry for being heartless but Disney is NOT to blame for nature being nature and people not following the rules. This incident is similar to the child that managed to get into gorilla enclosure in the sense that the parents should have kept a closer eye on their child. im not saying it's the same thing but honestly 1) Disney warned them 2) Disney already does a lot to prevent things like this from happening 3) Disney can't control nature 4) it's never happened before on Disney property 5) the parents let their infant alone in the extremely dark water (which was already deep enough for him to drown in let alone get pulled by a gator), the parents disobeyed the posted signs and they also left him far away in the dark. This wasn't Disneys fault.
 

Daveeeeed

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Actually there are warning signs from all vantage points near the hotels and Disney regularly relocates gators immediately. I think it's rediculous people are blaming Disney for this. The parents let their 2 year old alone in a foot of pitch black water late at night in waters they were warned to not enter. I'm sorry for being heartless but Disney is NOT to blame for nature being nature and people not following the rules. This incident is similar to the child that managed to get into gorilla enclosure in the sense that the parents should have kept a closer eye on their child. im not saying it's the same thing but honestly 1) Disney warned them 2) Disney already does a lot to prevent things like this from happening 3) Disney can't control nature 4) it's never happened before on Disney property 5) the parents let their infant alone in the extremely dark water (which was already deep enough for him to drown in let alone get pulled by a gator), the parents disobeyed the posted signs and they also left him far away in the dark. This wasn't Disneys fault.
I agree with that the parents shouldn't have let him, but there are ZERO signs that warn of wildlife, just not to swim. It never says do not go into the water, it never warns of wildlife, so by a kid going in not deep water compared to an adult, where it wouldn't be deep for an adult has nothing to do with gators.
 

oceanbreeze77

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It was actually the complete opposite for me. Before I make my comment though, I just want to say that mentioning how many views one thread on a tragic event has vs. another as I saw previously mentioned by someone is just tacky to me. First, this event happened IN Disney World. Yes, the Pulse shooter may have targeted WDW, but this event actually happened there. It happened somewhere where I'd wager at least 90% of us have walked at one point. Many of us have children, and, as my mother has said to me countless times, burying a child is the most horrifying thing a parent can imagine. It is their worst nightmare.

That all being said, I do not have children, and other than feeling upset for the parents and imagining how my own would have felt, I do not feel a truly personal connection to this story. I did, however, find it completely engrossing due to its proximity within a destination I have visited many times and the amount of time it took for a conclusion to be drawn (sort of, anyway). This, I suspect, is the reason this thread is more "popular." I have nothing but sorrow for the family and I hope they are able to find an appropriate way to greive.

I am not able to read anything about the other (or should I say *one of* the other) tragedy that happened in Orlando this week. It broke me, and it is the reason why I cannot frequent threads or read news about it. Again, I suspect I am not the only one who feels this way. Everyone involved was around my sisters' ages and my age, and I completely broke down when my mother called me crying telling me of a victim who texted his mother that he loved her as he was waiting to eventually be hunted down by that lunatic. I am very close with my mother, and we text or call each other every day. I am tearing up writing this now.

Everyone grieves differently, and I am actually surprised so many parents were able to chime in here today. I hope all of you are squeezing your children tightly.

As someone who almost lost a sister to the point of planning out what I was going to say at her funeral, and going through two weeks of hospital visits not knowing if she'd be alive when I walked in the door, I have some idea of what the injured Pulse victims' families are suffering through. I haven't a clue what this family is dealing with, however, and I hope that none of us here (or any present or future visitors to WDW) ever have to experience it. I wish everyone, both involved, not involved, and on these boards, the safest thoughts.
THIS. Im sad for the child. Im sad for the family. Its a tragedy. I did not cry.
When I woke up sunday morning (west coast time) I saw my phone full of texts and I skimmed them with tired eyes but when I saw "50 people dead" tears just poured.

These are different situations, both sad, but definitely different emotional impacts.
 

21stamps

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Actually there are warning signs from all vantage points near the hotels and Disney regularly relocates gators immediately. I think it's rediculous people are blaming Disney for this. The parents let their 2 year old alone in a foot of pitch black water late at night in waters they were warned to not enter. I'm sorry for being heartless but Disney is NOT to blame for nature being nature and people not following the rules. This incident is similar to the child that managed to get into gorilla enclosure in the sense that the parents should have kept a closer eye on their child. im not saying it's the same thing but honestly 1) Disney warned them 2) Disney already does a lot to prevent things like this from happening 3) Disney can't control nature 4) it's never happened before on Disney property 5) the parents let their infant alone in the extremely dark water (which was already deep enough for him to drown in let alone get pulled by a gator), the parents disobeyed the posted signs and they also left him far away in the dark. This wasn't Disneys fault.
Just wanted to point out-

It is not anywhere close to "pitch black" at GF or Poly at 9pm in June.
 

HouseHacker97

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I agree with that the parents shouldn't have let him, but there are ZERO signs that warn of wildlife, just not to swim. It never says do not go into the water, it never warns of wildlife, so by a kid going in not deep water compared to an adult, where it wouldn't be deep for an adult has nothing to do with gators.

The signs do forbid guests from entering the lagoon. If it's not ok for an adult to swim in it during the day what makes it ok for an infant to do it alone at night? The water was deep enough for the child to drown in (1ft)
 

Daveeeeed

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I stayed at the Poly 8 years ago when my son was 4. We were swimming at night in the volcano pool then walked to the beach to get ready for fireworks. My son ventured into the water. At the time we thought it was cute. Got a couple pics, then called him out. Maybe 3 minutes total in the water.

Boy, do I feel for these parents. I will pray for them on Sunday at church.

Unfortunately, in today's society, there MUST be a VILLAIN when a tragedy takes place, and it CAN'T simply be the actual actor. It must be something BIGGER. So expect Disney to suffer because, after all they are a "BIG CORPORATION", and by definition"evil" according to some.
I did the same when I was younger. I don't think Disney deserves a bad image because of this, but like the family that lost the child you never thought anything of it, when Disney knew there was in fact a risk as they knew there were gators in the water. With no signs to warn people it almost seems like Disney didn't want to scare people away from the beaches, or they legitimately never thought anything would happen, but no matter what Disney should've had some warning especially since they knew there were gators.
 

21stamps

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They lawyers will be beating down their doors. Everyone wants a commission on a 7 figure settlement
I agree. I felt the same with the zoo.
But, Lawyers can't file a lawsuit without a client. Like I said, I don't think most people are down to file a lawsuit when a complete accident happens. I think it's only a select few.
 
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HouseHacker97

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But it isn't. It's so shallow right there. You can see the bottom about 3-4 feet from the shore. And then it gets dark.

It's not even 9 now and as I look to the shallowest part of the lake in my back yard I can't see any part of the lake floor. I'm just saying, who lets their infant alone in such a swamp like that while they sit far away preoccupied watching a movie?
 
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