Free The Epcot Dolphins?

[LAKid53]

And you've done 0 hours of research on sea life that are overfished for their fins, their meat among other things. You'll turn a blind eye to dolphins and whales that drown in fishing nets but will be outraged at those who take animals like that in because in your mind you'd rather let nature take its course than an animal be safe.

And most marine species are in danger of extinction for these reasons, along with habitat loss. Which is more critical to animal welfare and survival for both land and sea animals than captivity.

Polar bears will most likely become extinct during my lifetime. Those big cats species not already extinct are endangered, due to overhunting and loss of habitat. And don't get me started on the African elephant. Very few species can survive when 100,000 are slaughtered in one year.

@Princess Kaylee, why aren't you equally concerned about those factors responsible for the demise of these animals? Instead of being concerned about captive dolphins, be concerned about the increased acidity of the oceans, the decline in pollinators (bees and butterflies), because if the oceans become too acidic for the creatures that live in them and we loose bees and butterflies, WE will cease to exist .... 75% of the food we eat and the animals we feed on is pollinated. The water we drink is from the complex cycle of ocean evaporation and rain (and climate). So yes, worry about a few captive dolphins; I worry more about the complex ecosystem of the planet that supports MY existence and that of every living species.

 

[tribbleorlfl]

I do foster animals, I currently have 3 pit bulls waiting for a forever home living in my house. I donate to countless animal foundations, and I volunteer at my local SPCA. I am educated, I've done hours of research on captvity and I've decided I'm against it. Sure there are zoos that do care about the welfare of animals, but few do and that's the problem.

"I've done hours of research" is code for googling articles and websites that support one's confirmation bias. I see this ALL THE TIME in anti-vax and GMO groups.

 

[ChesterKiwi]

I've skimmed over the thread and I have some comments to make on the OP's position, which to me seems a bit ill-informed and defended fallaciously.

How would you like to be stolen from your home, and put in a rather small tank for people to watch?

This comparison isn't valid. Explain to me how this is equivalent at all to any other animal. I'm honestly curious as to how you think that comparison works at all. We're the most highly-evolved species on the planet. We're not equivalent to a dolphin or an alligator. You cannot simply substitute a human in and act like all you've changed is the name.

I don't have time to reply to everybody I have things to do. I don't sit behind a screen all day.

Annnnnd this is a good old-fashioned ad hominem fallacy.

I'm very much against animal mistreatment and cruelty, don't misconstrue that, but when the facts are stacked against you just and you attack people and say "Put yourself in the animals' shoes," you've lost any shred of credibility. Maybe you might want to do some actual research on the topics you're trying to argue about. Despite claiming you've done research, nothing you have posted has shown that. In fact, it has suggested just the opposite.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I've skimmed over the thread and I have some comments to make on the OP's position, which to me seems a bit ill-informed and defended fallaciously.

This comparison isn't valid. Explain to me how this is equivalent at all to any other animal. I'm honestly curious as to how you think that comparison works at all. We're the most highly-evolved species on the planet. We're not equivalent to a dolphin or an alligator. You cannot simply substitute a human in and act like all you've changed is the name.

Annnnnd this is a good old-fashioned ad hominem fallacy.

I'm very much against animal mistreatment and cruelty, don't misconstrue that, but when the facts are stacked against you just and you attack people and say "Put yourself in the animals' shoes," you've lost any shred of credibility. Maybe you might want to do some actual research on the topics you're trying to argue about. Despite claiming you've done research, nothing you have posted has shown that. In fact, it has suggested just the opposite.

I think you mistyped ':' as '.' after fallacy.

 

[LAKid53]

I do foster animals, I currently have 3 pit bulls waiting for a forever home living in my house. I donate to countless animal foundations, and I volunteer at my local SPCA. I am educated, I've done hours of research on captvity and I've decided I'm against it. Sure there are zoos that do care about the welfare of animals, but few do and that's the problem.

I hope that "research" isn't the Wikipedia kind or you just negated your argument.

If you want to read quality peer reviewed research, I suggest these websites in Florida. Three are academic institutions and three are marine research institutions:

1. University of West Florida
2. University of South Florida
3. University of Miami (has one of the best marine science programs in the Southeast)
4. Florida Marine Research Institute (research arm of the Florida Wildlife Commission, a state agency)
5. Hubbs Research Institute (private)
6. Mote Marine Research (private)

There are other well respected academic and research entities for info on marine life, but I am familiar with these organizations because either I worked for or with staff from them. And contact any of the authors of the research. They will be more than happy to talk to someone interested in their research...some will talk your ear off.

 

[marni1971]

There's a similar thread in the Seaworld forum. By the same OP.

 

[Rachel S1321]

http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/02/10-reasons-why-dolphins-are-aholes/

I did not write this article....but maybe the dolphin was sad because of how the other dolphins were treating it, not Disney! Dolphin on Dolphin crime is real people!!

 

[LAKid53]

http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/02/10-reasons-why-dolphins-are-aholes/

I did not write this article....but maybe the dolphin was sad because of how the other dolphins were treating it, not Disney! Dolphin on Dolphin crime is real people!!

 

[LAKid53]

http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/02/10-reasons-why-dolphins-are-aholes/

I did not write this article....but maybe the dolphin was sad because of how the other dolphins were treating it, not Disney! Dolphin on Dolphin crime is real people!!

I just read the article and can attest that #1, #2 and #3 are true. All of which we discovered when reviewing data to determine if swimming with dolphin programs should be regulated. Let me just say that a dolphin is just all muscle, very powerful muscle....

Oh, and those who think that you are safe from sharks if you see dolphin swimming in an area, guess again. As the article mentioned, dolphins are voracious predators. And sloppy. So following behind feeding dolphins are, you guessed it, sharks.... to pick up the scraps...

 

[DfromATX]

There's a similar thread in the Seaworld forum. By the same OP.

She's on here a lot for someone who's "busy" and "not on here all day."

 

[Dartha Stewart]

Seriously, people? Nearly 4 thread pages later, and I'm still the only one upset that a burglar-preventing alligator got put-down all because he performed a public service?

I don't care what precinct you work for or what your county's budget is...an 11-ft, 80+ toothed, 3k pound bite force backup is never something that should go to waste. If you animal activists want something to really fight for, this is deserving of attention.

#HeroicGatorLivesMatter

 

[wm49rs]

Seriously, people? Nearly 4 thread pages later, and I'm still the only one upset that a burglar-preventing alligator got put-down all because he performed a public service?

I don't care what precinct you work for or what your county's budget is...an 11-ft, 80+ toothed, 3k pound bite force backup is never something that should go to waste. If you animal activists want something to really fight for, this is deserving of attention.

#HeroicGatorLivesMatter

I'm sure it didn't go to waste....

 

[Rachel S1321]

Seriously, people? Nearly 4 thread pages later, and I'm still the only one upset that a burglar-preventing alligator got put-down all because he performed a public service?

I don't care what precinct you work for or what your county's budget is...an 11-ft, 80+ toothed, 3k pound bite force backup is never something that should go to waste. If you animal activists want something to really fight for, this is deserving of attention.

#HeroicGatorLivesMatter

And I don't know for sure, but I've never heard of Gator's raping anyone? I could be wrong. #HeriocGatorLivesMatter

 

[LAKid53]

Seriously, people? Nearly 4 thread pages later, and I'm still the only one upset that a burglar-preventing alligator got put-down all because he performed a public service?

I don't care what precinct you work for or what your county's budget is...an 11-ft, 80+ toothed, 3k pound bite force backup is never something that should go to waste. If you animal activists want something to really fight for, this is deserving of attention.

#HeroicGatorLivesMatter

Gives new meaning to K9.... Can you imagine being the officer whose partner is a 8-10 Florida alligator?

However, as a Nole, I have a fundamental problem supporting gaytors.....the two legged variety.....

 

[Dartha Stewart]

And I don't know for sure, but I've never heard of Gator's raping anyone?

Not unless you're the University of Tennessee's defensive line.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I do foster animals, I currently have 3 pit bulls waiting for a forever home living in my house. I donate to countless animal foundations, and I volunteer at my local SPCA. I am educated, I've done hours of research on captvity and I've decided I'm against it. Sure there are zoos that do care about the welfare of animals, but few do and that's the problem.

I have to wonder what you consider educating yourself. You seem to think Blackfish is a credible source. It is not.

 

[LAKid53]

Not unless you're the University of Tennessee's defensive line.

Is that SEC humor? I know some Indians that took care of some gators.....

We shouldn't pick on those poor reptiles in Gainesville....

 

[LAKid53]

There's a similar thread in the Seaworld forum. By the same OP.

There's a Sea World forum on a Disney board?! Tsk, tsk, tsk.....

 

[LAKid53]

Definition:

Alligator - prehistoric reptilian animal that inhabits the waterways of Florida

Gaytor - prehistoric reptilian two legged animal that inhabits Gainesville, wears jorts and thinks bright blue and neon orange is a good color combo.....

I rest my case....

 

[House of Power Rangers]

This topic SHOULD be closed i mean WHAT GOOD does it do there still gonna be ignorant at us at whatever we say about the good that is Disney giving care to the dolphins.