News FPs cancelled when Hotel room cancelled

[bpadair32]

Reportedly starting 2/4 when you cancel your WDW hotel room your fastpasses will also be cancelled so those that made throwaway room reservations wouldn't be able to do so anymore.

Also you are said to have 2 days of grace period. So if you rebook you would still have the fastpasses rather than them cancelling immediately.

I am really happy to hear this. I think the throw away room thing is ridiculous.

 

[Rteetz]

Yeah, noticed that the site which shall not be named has it as confirmed. Without a credit for you either, which considering you broke this here and on the DIS is “frankly” annoying, but not unexpected I guess. Same old story!

Well I didn’t break it first it came from reports on Twitter originally. At least that’s the first place I saw it.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Hey Rosox, I have to respectfully disagree
. I find being able to book my rides 90 days out absolutely removes stress. You are comparing a place that is like no other in the world to the world. you can't. every time I go I see tons of families stress from NOT having plans. walking around trying to figure out a map or what ride to do next. IMO picking our rides 60 days out eliminates all that. Yes, it 100% cuts down on some spontaneity, as you said if you change you mind at the last minutes you have to do standby..

Next you are comparing a holiday. A day guaranteed to be packed. sorry, I blame the family. you absolutely cannot think on a major holiday you should be able to bounce around as you want. This is not exclusive to Disney, with many popular tourist destinations, you go on a major holiday and then want to change your mind at the last minute you're screwed.


Effective touring and spontaneity are imo two unrelated things. I've gone to the world at the last minute with the understanding that doing so means I'm going to "go with the flow", that is not a result of the fp booking system.

lastly, most of the world operates on a 2 or 4 guest scenario. large groups and families have always had it rough. I know first hand, trying to plan a large group vacation to Europe. the land of doing things 2X2.

Here's the thing though. Pre MDE and FP+ we absolutely could have changed course on a holiday weekend. The legacy system was for more user friendly to larger families. We'd know we were facing crowds but weren't at a disadvantage before we entered the park.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Who honestly cares though? I dont feel sorry for people who dont understand how the system works, its really not that complicated. People are just too lazy to learn

When you want to create brand loyalty you need to start thinking about guest satisfaction. We are not the average guest, we are the informed guest. It will be very difficult for me to have a "bad" day in Disney World, but your casual uninformed guest is going to look at their wallet before and after and never return.

Fastpass+ would be far more effective if the other 3 parks had anything close to the Magic Kingdom's attraction lineup. It's improving, but they're still all woefully underbuilt. Until then, dropping to two advanced bookings a day would be a reasonable enough solution. My ideal scenario would be 1 advanced booking, 1 day of booking and both become rolling Fastpasses after first use.

 

[Rteetz]

When you want to create brand loyalty you need to start thinking about guest satisfaction. We are not the average guest, we are the informed guest. It will be very difficult for me to have a "bad" day in Disney World, but your casual uninformed guest is going to look at their wallet before and after and never return.

Fastpass+ would be far more effective if the other 3 parks had anything close to the Magic Kingdom's attraction lineup. It's improving, but they're still all woefully underbuilt. Until then, dropping to two advanced bookings a day would be a reasonable enough solution. My ideal scenario would be 1 advanced booking, 1 day of booking and both become rolling Fastpasses after first use.

I’m not a mod here but maybe it’s time to get back on topic with the closure of a loophole rather than discuss why or why not MyMagic+ is good or bad.

 

[Tom Morrow]

You know that more than Disney owned resorts get 60 days, right?

Actually, I didn’t know that. Who else?

If FPs go unused, the stand-by line benefits. You won’t notice a difference because the vast majority of FPs probably do get used.

True, but my main complaint is, for AP and regular ticket holders, getting a Fastpass for FoP or Slinky is an extreme stroke of luck. Limiting the number of people who can advance reserve may help this.

 

[nickys]

Actually, I didn’t know that. Who else?

True, but my main complaint is, for AP and regular ticket holders, getting a Fastpass for FoP or Slinky is an extreme stroke of luck. Limiting the number of people who can advance reserve may help this.

The DS resorts that paid for the privilege. Started in January of 2018.

But you were arguing that AP holders often book without using their FPs anyway? Now you’re concerned they can’t get them. Which is it?

 

[WDWBigEd]

Actually, I didn’t know that. Who else?

Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Hotel
Shades of Green on Walt Disney World Resort
B Resort Located in the Walt Disney World Resort
Best Western Lake Buena Vista Resort
DoubleTree Guest Suites in Walt Disney World
Hilton Orlando Buena Vista Palace
Hilton Orlando Lake Buena Vista
Holiday Inn Lake Buena Vista
Wyndham Garden Lake Buena Vista Disney Springs

 

[DisneyJoe]

Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Hotel
Shades of Green on Walt Disney World Resort
B Resort Located in the Walt Disney World Resort
Best Western Lake Buena Vista Resort
DoubleTree Guest Suites in Walt Disney World
Hilton Orlando Buena Vista Palace
Hilton Orlando Lake Buena Vista
Holiday Inn Lake Buena Vista
Wyndham Garden Lake Buena Vista Disney Springs

Four Seasons too

 

[nickys]

Four Seasons too

Have you been told anything about it? How it will work etc....

 

[DisneyJoe]

Have you been told anything about it? How it will work etc....

This rumor? I have no info.

These resorts just link their reservations to MDE and proceed as usual, sometimes after waiting a few days. It was in place for all of 2018 and now 2019

 

[Tom Morrow]

The DS resorts that paid for the privilege. Started in January of 2018.

But you were arguing that AP holders often book without using their FPs anyway? Now you’re concerned they can’t get them. Which is it?

Both. I, an annual passholder, along with the vast majority of ticket holders that didn’t book in advance, can never land Fastpasses for certain attractions because of the 60 day resort reservation advantage and other AP holders booking them like vultures.

 

[DaBears81]

An issue with the 30 days AP holder FP booking is a large family will go and book FP for big attractions and only 2 of the 8 family members go and they bring magic bands from the family members who aren’t there. I’ve known someone who’s done this numerous times and when the scan point doesn’t flash green and when the cast member at the touch point questions them, they proceed to immediately get upset and cause a scene and the cast member lets them through. I haven’t witnessed this, they just explained this to me when they told me who they’ve been doing it. Aside from asking for an ID when this happens I don’t know how to remedy this issue, but that causes problems too. I also know this family will book a room and say there are 5 of them when it’s only 2 pay the little extra for extra people in the room and do the same thing with FP.

 

[nickys]

An issue with the 30 days AP holder FP booking is a large family will go and book FP for big attractions and only 2 of the 8 family members go and they bring magic bands from the family members who aren’t there. I’ve known someone who’s done this numerous times and when the scan point doesn’t flash green and when the cast member at the touch point questions them, they proceed to immediately get upset and cause a scene and the cast member lets them through. I haven’t witnessed this, they just explained this to me when they told me who they’ve been doing it. Aside from asking for an ID when this happens I don’t know how to remedy this issue, but that causes problems too. I also know this family will book a room and say there are 5 of them when it’s only 2 pay the little extra for extra people in the room and do the same thing with FP.

That scam had the door slammed shut a while ago. Try using a band for an FP that wasn’t used to enter a park and, though you may be able to ride, their MDE account will be locked.

 

[nickys]

Both. I, an annual passholder, along with the vast majority of ticket holders that didn’t book in advance, can never land Fastpasses for certain attractions because of the 60 day resort reservation advantage and other AP holders booking them like vultures.

Are you suggesting that onsite guests shouldn’t have an advantage?

And now you’re complaining that you can’t book FPs in advance while other AP holders are! Very few AP holders get to book FoP and Slinky. There are not hordes of them booking APs “like vultures”.

I suggest you quit complaining and start thinking smarter. Either stay for a weekend if you’re not local, or get there early for rope drop if you are. Or stay till the end of the night. Your AP gets you into the park, use it to your advantage.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Are you suggesting that onsite guests shouldn’t have an advantage?

And now you’re complaining that you can’t book FPs in advance while other AP holders are! Very few AP holders get to book FoP and Slinky. There are not hordes of them booking APs “like vultures”.

I suggest you quit complaining and start thinking smarter. Either stay for a weekend if you’re not local, or get there early for rope drop if you are. Or stay till the end of the night. Your AP gets you into the park, use it to your advantage.

How about you get off your high horse and tone down the smugness?

I already mentioned I know Disney isn’t going to stop the benenfits for on-site guests. My initial post said I believe they should not get 60 days and the advance number of days should be reduced across the board.

Truth be told I would rather Fastpass be eliminated completely. But that’s another discussion for another thread.

 

[RSoxNo1]

An issue with the 30 days AP holder FP booking is a large family will go and book FP for big attractions and only 2 of the 8 family members go and they bring magic bands from the family members who aren’t there. I’ve known someone who’s done this numerous times and when the scan point doesn’t flash green and when the cast member at the touch point questions them, they proceed to immediately get upset and cause a scene and the cast member lets them through. I haven’t witnessed this, they just explained this to me when they told me who they’ve been doing it. Aside from asking for an ID when this happens I don’t know how to remedy this issue, but that causes problems too. I also know this family will book a room and say there are 5 of them when it’s only 2 pay the little extra for extra people in the room and do the same thing with FP.

Yeah, unless the other family member is scanned into the park this creates real problems for your account now.

I'm all for closing the loopholes, and will 100% acknowledge that I took advantage of some of them. I would still very much welcome a return to legacy Fastpass rules on the updated system.

 

[nickys]

How about you get off your high horse and tone down the smugness?

I already mentioned I know Disney isn’t going to stop the benenfits for on-site guests. My initial post said I believe they should not get 60 days and the advance number of days should be reduced across the board.

Truth be told I would rather Fastpass be eliminated completely. But that’s another discussion for another thread.

OK, apologies.

However, you were complaining that you, as an AP holder, were being denied FPs by other AP holders who were being “greedy”. Quite what you thought the solution to that was, I haven’t a clue.

 

[Hcalvert]

Unrelated Question: What happens when a reservation is cancelled? I assume that the original form of payment is credited in a few business days. Currently, I have two reservations at two different resorts for the same dates until my brother tells me if he is going for sure or not. For one, I paid $150 with a gift card and $50 with a credit card. For the other, I paid the deposit with only gift cards. After I cancel one, I assume that I can take the gift card balance I get back and pay it on the other reservation, right? I have not booked FPs yet as I cannot until May. Thanks.

 

[DaBears81]

I was unaware that they fixed that issue, good thing. I wish I could’ve seen the look on their faces when their account got locked!