Figment2005
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In short, yes.
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FP+ only Toy Story Midway Mania
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BrianV
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Agree totally with your post. They should be forthcoming with what they are doing so people can plan around it. Why they are doing it, however, I do not need to know. I think all FP+ would be a poor way to handle TSMM ride. But if they'd announced that it would be down to all but fast pass a month in advance, I'd have been ok with the test.
I read here daily that people are so sick of the system, they are going to stop going. I endorse this as a way to vote with your feet and your wallet. Most people however, still enjoy disney. They go and hopefully go with the flow. First time visitor/ friends of ours just came back and had a wonderful time. They stayed off site, used some fast pass, saw some rides, missed some rides, enjoyed the princesses, etc. When they returned, they said how much fun it was, NOT how complicated it was. Things change, and people who know nothing of the old system have no issues. Those who knew and mastered the old system have the hardest time. I suspect that is most people who bother writing into a wdw blog.
Figment2005
Well-Known Member
Quick question. How many of the people complaining about this 4 day test are actually being affected by it?
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Probably but not with just Fastpass only. You have to remove the Standby variability completely.
Not being argumentative, but this is what so many people have been saying for the last 18 months since FP+ started testing. These current tests all stem from MM+/FP+/NGE. We are approaching almost TWO YEARS of testing so I think its fair to say that its been a long enough time of "wait and see how it woks out". Its working out horribly and absolutely nothing has improved. Wait times are no better, obtaining FP+ for certain attractions is not much easier, getting ADR's is no more easier, the kiosk system is no more efficient or time saving than legacy FP, You still have to be at rope for certain attractions, ticket prices have risen, and for each problem with MM+ that they correct, two new problems pop up in its place.
They could have built a few D tickets and restaurants in this amount of time and we would actually be seeing less stress on the parks, and it would have cost a heck of a lot less than all they have spent to come full circle and get nowhere.
Dukeblue1227
Well-Known Member
I'm 30, been to Disney world 19 times (I'm from the northeast so I'm talking 19 planned vacations down, this is nothing to many and even less to local visitors)... Longest I've ever gone is probably 3 years without going.
I haven't been since 2011 and honestly I have zero interest in going back as every year it's this same BS to ruin the experience. I just genuinely do not want to have to plan out my every friggin move six months in advance and not even be able to go on rides unless I've preplanned two trimesters ahead of schedule...
I wish Disney cared about its loyal fans...
I wish they'd stop fixing what isn't broken, and start fixing what is.
I haven't been since 2011 and honestly I have zero interest in going back as every year it's this same BS to ruin the experience. I just genuinely do not want to have to plan out my every friggin move six months in advance and not even be able to go on rides unless I've preplanned two trimesters ahead of schedule...
I wish Disney cared about its loyal fans...
I wish they'd stop fixing what isn't broken, and start fixing what is.
RayTheFirefly
Well-Known Member
But thats what I dont understand. FP+ is supposedly far superior to legacy FP so why all of the sudden is legacy back in the picture? Im not trying to be a smart , just trying to understand all this mess.
quoting the article: "The FastPass+ system gives riders a time window when they are to arrive and hop on in a jiffy".
Exactly how long is a "jiffy"? Last time i rode with FP+ we still waited appx 15-20 minutes.
jakeman
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My comment was only in reference to this test...not the larger picture.
No worries no smart assiness taken!
Graham9
Well-Known Member
We were at the 'World in December. That was our first and only taste of FP+. Maybe something has improved with it since then, but at the time, I kept thinking 'why'?
Our impression was of it was
It's buggy and unreliable. (It took most of our time before they worked properly)
It gives things they don't want, such as unwanted FP's to things we didn't ask for
It doesn't give things we do want (easy of use, the right FP's and flexibility)
It does nothing that the old 'keys to the kingdom' cards didn't do - at least that worked.
It forces people to plan ahead and to set times, denying them to wander about to rides and to adlib their time
It forces people into using technology they may not want -or even able- to use (I come to WDW to get away from PC's)
It tries to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place (What was wrong with the old system?)
Attractions now have FP+ lines where there was none before - even where there is no need for them
And now, it looks like attractions are being FP+ only, forcing this system down people's throats.
Our impression was of it was
It's buggy and unreliable. (It took most of our time before they worked properly)
It gives things they don't want, such as unwanted FP's to things we didn't ask for
It doesn't give things we do want (easy of use, the right FP's and flexibility)
It does nothing that the old 'keys to the kingdom' cards didn't do - at least that worked.
It forces people to plan ahead and to set times, denying them to wander about to rides and to adlib their time
It forces people into using technology they may not want -or even able- to use (I come to WDW to get away from PC's)
It tries to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place (What was wrong with the old system?)
Attractions now have FP+ lines where there was none before - even where there is no need for them
And now, it looks like attractions are being FP+ only, forcing this system down people's throats.
B-b-but, there's like 18 people who claim the system worked "flawlessly" for them so this is all worth it. You must disregard the thousands of guests who have had problems. The Majestic 18 have spoken, and they say it's great!We were at the 'World in December. That was our first and only taste of FP+. Maybe something has improved with it since then, but at the time, I kept thinking 'why'?
Our impression was of it was
It's buggy and unreliable. (It took most of our time before they worked properly)
It gives things they don't want, such as unwanted FP's to things we didn't ask for
It doesn't give things we do want (easy of use, the right FP's and flexibility)
It does nothing that the old 'keys to the kingdom' cards didn't do - at least that worked.
It forces people to plan ahead and to set times, denying them to wander about to rides and to adlib their time
It forces people into using technology they may not want -or even able- to use (I come to WDW to get away from PC's)
It tries to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place (What was wrong with the old system?)
Attractions now have FP+ lines where there was none before - even where there is no need for them
And now, it looks like attractions are being FP+ only, forcing this system down people's throats.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
The data definitely exists.
CDavid
Well-Known Member
From the article:
I'm just sort of shaking my head, wondering what these people are thinking.
So much for the theory, put forth by some posters here, that fears over rides restricted to FP+ only is just paranoia.
RayTheFirefly
Well-Known Member
I was accused of the same paranoia as well. But clearly it's a valid concern...
BrerJon
Well-Known Member
Funny, I said all this a few days ago back after coming back from WDW and witnessing how irate MyMagic was making guests and the general feeling of it being a shambles, but I was heavily berated by posters on here and told that what I saw was an aberration, most guests love the new system and it's working out great.
It's good to hear I'm not alone in my experience, and others have found more problems with the new system than benefits too.
HairyLegPirate
Active Member
This is actually trending on FB right now, and people are not happy. There's a lot of bad press about this...
muteki
Well-Known Member
In the grand scheme of things, the people that read/post in this thread, or this forum as a whole even, are nowhere near representative enough of the DHS guest population for it to matter if they have posted here or not.
I mean, for just about everyone that reads this forum it is so blatantly obvious that if you head to DHS with the intention of riding TSMM then you must have a FP, even on a regular day. To many people that actually walk through the gates and don't do their research (a good chunk of them I believe) they are completely locked out. Which to the unknowing guest is much worse than having to wait in a really long line.
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ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Agree, And 'cooking the books' statistically is legal yet highly unethical.
There are LOTS of things which are legal yet unethical, The problem lies in when you have been operating in unethical mode for a long while it's really easy to segue into the Illegal realm, ENRON and AIG are two of the most recent examples of the slide from unethical to illegal.
It starts with the thought 'We are the smartest guys in the room, They'll never catch us...'