Forbidden Mountain Construction

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by ArchiDanDisney
Kyle, seriously, the scale of the model warrants that it is bigger than 1.5 acres...Space Mountain is how tall? with the spire or without? The spires are not included in the slope i take it? Once again kyle, pay attention closely, THE ENTIRE ATTRACTION, MEANING QUEUE, THEMING, AND SURROUNDING AREA, HAS TO BE LARGER THAN 1.5 ACRES, BASED ON THE SCALE OF THE MODEL ALONE.

I realize the queue and such will make the site larger than 1.5 acres--I was arguing the size of the mountain itself. While the spires are not included in the slope, also keep in mind that the spires, at most, add another 40 feet to the height...connecting the bottom of the mountain to the top of the highest spire is still, at most, a 40º slope. Everest is steeper than this. Clearly, with the new town and possible animal exhibit, the expansion will be far larger than this size--I am arguing mountain size.

 

[ArchiDanDisney]

KYLE, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! THE MOUNTAIN....BASED ON SCALE....IS BIGGER THAN 1.5 ACRES.....LOOK AT THE MODEL, STUDY ARCHITECTURE, AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!

 

[mkt]

boxy-moron..

hehe.. I love that commercial...


KYLE! STEP AWAY FROM THE BOX!

heehee

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by ArchiDanDisney
KYLE, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! THE MOUNTAIN....BASED ON SCALE....IS BIGGER THAN 1.5 ACRES.....LOOK AT THE MODEL, STUDY ARCHITECTURE, AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!

Study mathematics through Calculus IV--Vector Analysis, by the end of your freshman year in college, get a 4.0 in all your math courses, and then tell me what you think about the math of the mountain...I would use the volume of a cone formula to tell you what slope you'd be talking about to build a 6 acre, 200 foot mountain, but I'm too lazy...but it would not be very steep.

 

[ArchiDanDisney]

OH MY! YOU ARE A GENIUS! WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER?!?! MY BRAIN WILL NEVER BE AS LARGE AS YOURS! ME AND MY MEASLY GEOMTERY AND TRIG FOR MY ARCHITECTURE COURSES. PLEASE ANIMAL MAN, TELL ME HOW TO DESIGN A BUILDING NOW! I BOW BEFORE YOU!

 

[mkt]

alright! BOTH OF YOU!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

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[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by ArchiDanDisney
OH MY! YOU ARE A GENIUS! WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER?!?! MY BRAIN WILL NEVER BE AS LARGE AS YOURS! ME AND MY MEASLY GEOMTERY AND TRIG FOR MY ARCHITECTURE COURSES. PLEASE ANIMAL MAN, TELL ME HOW TO DESIGN A BUILDING NOW! I BOW BEFORE YOU!

Here is the math, architect:

One acre is 43560 sq. ft.

Six acres is 261,360 sq. ft.

Assuming, theoretically, that the mountain is a perfect circle (not the case, but theoretically), the radius of our mountain would be just under 300 ft, the diameter, therefore, about 600 feet. Besides the fact that Space Mountain's diameter is about 300 feet (based on the 72,000 sq. ft. number), we also note that with a height of 200 feet (it won't even be that high, I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt) and a radius of 288 feet, we note that the arctan of (200/288) is 34.78º. That is how steep your mountain would be.

Let's say it's two acres in size--87,120 sq. ft.

radius = 166.52 ft, diameter: 333.05 ft.

arctan (200/166.52) = 50.21º

Even at 2 acres, we would be talking a 50º angle, only (simple right triangle--I am sure you covered this in trig).

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by DogsRule!
Space mountain is 1.5 acres in size. It is roughly as tall as Everest. Its walls rise at roughly a 30º angle...if you look at EVEREST, it is clear the walls of the mountain are at a greater angle, sometimes reaching vertical...it would be impossible by my math for the mountain to be more than 1.5 to 2 acres. With its given height and clear steepness, it could not be any larger. In order to be 6 acres in size, you would be talking a 15 degree slope...not very impressive. The lift hill is probably at a 30º angle, and the mountain is clearly steeper than the lift hill. It's all simple math..

So exactly where do you acount for the Huge Curving Drop out the mountain, the lift hill through the temple up to the mountain, or the loading unloading area. Plus, we can't forget the Queue and the additional scenery elements to the ride. You are totally too defensive on this, and I really do not understand why you can't be wrong. Anyone can be wrong, I may be wrong but your attitude on this is crappy to say the least.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by spider-man
So exactly where do you acount for the Huge Curving Drop out the mountain, the lift hill through the temple up to the mountain, or the loading unloading area. Plus, we can't forget the Queue and the additional scenery elements to the ride. You are totally too defensive on this, and I really do not understand why you can't be wrong. Anyone can be wrong, I may be wrong but your attitude on this is crappy to say the least.

I know the queue and such will be larger...I had been arguing about the size of the actual mountain. I have just yet to hear any reason other than "architecture is my major" for why the mountain would be so large, or even how they would make it that big...

 

[WDWspider]

Originally posted by DogsRule!
I know the queue and such will be larger...I had been arguing about the size of the actual mountain. I have just yet to hear any reason other than "architecture is my major" for why the mountain would be so large, or even how they would make it that big...

:lol: :lol: You gotta be kidding me. I think most of us have been arguing apples and oranges then, cause I was thinking we were discussing attraction land area, not the Mountain only, However, I think Splash or Big Thunder would be a more accurate size to base on since they are truer to real mountains unlike Space Mountain, but no... I would think the Mountain base would need to be a bit bigger, but then again Imagineers are much better at forced perspetive than people think. I feel it will take every bit of 2 acres Minimal, however Big Thunder Acerage would ease my mind much more.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by spider-man
:lol: :lol: You gotta be kidding me. I think most of us have been arguing apples and oranges then, cause I was thinking we were discussing attraction land area, not the Mountain only, However, I think Splash or Big Thunder would be a more accurate size to base on since they are truer to real mountains unlike Space Mountain, but no... I would think the Mountain base would need to be a bit bigger, but then again Imagineers are much better at forced perspetive than people think. I feel it will take every bit of 2 acres Minimal, however Big Thunder Acerage would ease my mind much more.

Do you or anyone else know how big Big Thunder is in acres? I've never seen that number....it is pretty amazing what the Imagineers do with forced perspective, I mean...not only do the Main Street buildings have smaller floors as you head up, but they get smaller as you head toward the Castle...that way it seems as though the Castle is further away at the Railroad station, making the park feel bigger, and heading back, the railroad seems closer--to encourage guests with tired feet and heavy bags, heading toward the busses/parking lot It's ingenious...

 

[Tielo]

Down into the ground

Isn't it so that Space Mountain is partly build into a hole in the ground? Will that also happen to Everest?:veryconfu

 

[EpcoTim]

Re: Down into the ground

Originally posted by Tielo
Isn't it so that Space Mountain is partly build into a hole in the ground? Will that also happen to Everest?:veryconfu

I think space is 15 feet into the ground

 

[Lee]

WDW's Space Mountain sits level on the ground, DL's is sunk 15 feet, so as not to loom over Main St.

As I recall, this dispute was over how much land the attraction was going to take up, not just the physical mountain, and also how big the cleared land was behind Kali. To try and wrap this up, let's just say that the actual ride portion (mountain, temple, exterior track, station, queue, etc.) will take up 2-3 acres. The entire new construction (pathways, landscaping, villiage, etc.) will put the total for the attraction somewhere between 5 and 6.

Oh, and FYI:
Big Thunder covers 2.5 acres.
Splash is roughly 3 acres, if you include the show building.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by Lee
Big Thunder covers 2.5 acres.
Splash is roughly 3 acres, if you include the show building.

Thanks. Do those numbers include the queue and such?

 

[mkymaus]

I learn something new here everyday!!
Thanks!
:sohappy:

 

[ArchiDanDisney]

Originally posted by Lee
WDW's Space Mountain sits level on the ground, DL's is sunk 15 feet, so as not to loom over Main St.

As I recall, this dispute was over how much land the attraction was going to take up, not just the physical mountain, and also how big the cleared land was behind Kali. To try and wrap this up, let's just say that the actual ride portion (mountain, temple, exterior track, station, queue, etc.) will take up 2-3 acres. The entire new construction (pathways, landscaping, villiage, etc.) will put the total for the attraction somewhere between 5 and 6.

Oh, and FYI:
Big Thunder covers 2.5 acres.
Splash is roughly 3 acres, if you include the show building.

Thanks, I have been trying to say this all along.

 

[Don L Duck]

Originally posted by spider-man
Not Yeti.

I'm on an Expedition to see if this ladder joke will Everest.

It should be forbidden to even talk about mountain a ladder on WDWMagic.

I just want to say that all these jokes about an Expedition Everest Ladder are "Abomidable":hammer:

 

[Lee]

Originally posted by DogsRule!
Thanks. Do those numbers include the queue and such?

For Big Thunder, no just the ride area.

For Splash, the queue is so entwined with the ride, it must include some queue.

 

[Don L Duck]

Originally posted by Don L Duck
I just want to say that all these jokes about an Expedition Everest Ladder are "Abomidable":hammer:

Anyone for snowcones? :lol: