Food and Wine Nickel and Diming

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Personaly I thionk its wrong that Disney promotes the consumption of alcohol anyway. Hopefuly this pricing will make poorer people think twice about spending money that should be used on buying fresh fruit and veg for their kids , on beer and wine.
Disney know what its doing, no need to question the management logic, after all managing crowds buy introducing a financial penalty is far more logical than simply increasing availability to meet demand.

 

[jt04]

I would think that an announcement saying that it would something different would come first. I could be wrong, but that would make sense to me.

I personally believe what 74 says because he has seemed to be on the right track in the past. I find it a good idea to at least take in what he says, even if you don't agree with it.

:wave:

But he only sees any change as negative. He is stuck somewhere in another era. I didn't say he was wrong, but he paints it as a bad thing when in fact it's a good thing.

No one is following anyone, but following wdw74 down a dark alley is better than following you and the sheriff off of a cliff.

It hasn't happened yet. :ROFLOL:



and it won't :sohappy:

 

[CaptainMichael]

I nominate this for post of the year...:lookaroun

Thanks, but I think I may have competition:

Personaly I thionk its wrong that Disney promotes the consumption of alcohol anyway. Hopefuly this pricing will make poorer people think twice about spending money that should be used on buying fresh fruit and veg for their kids , on beer and wine.
Disney know what its doing, no need to question the management logic, after all managing crowds buy introducing a financial penalty is far more logical than simply increasing availability to meet demand.

 

[jakeman]

...after all managing crowds buy introducing a financial penalty is far more logical than simply increasing availability to meet demand.

Good point Pumbas. Perhaps they don't have a good grasp on what the demand actually is?

Back when they had two tastings at the same time the waits were still 45+ minutes. If they increased to 3 or 4 perhaps they don't have enough sponsors interested in parking a representative in WDW for 6 weeks?

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Who says it will be the same thing?

Following wdw74 into every dark alley he tries to lure you to is not a good idea IMO.

But some people never learn.

"Paint It Black" has to be wdw74's all time favorite song. Get it? :lol:

:wave:

I've personally had my fill of the jt-74 love letters, I have to say. Every thread turns into this kind of thing. Just get a room already.

I think this could be an interesting debate to read, but it looks like it's going to turn into another "Why 74 needs to lighten up/ Why jt needs to get a clue" pillowfight. That should be very enlightening, just like the previous 87 of them were.

 

[WDW1974]

I knew the 'Defending da Man' crowd here would have a feast with this one.

It's just another money-gubbing move by very calculating execs who are only interested in short term gains for the company's bottom line and long term gains to their careers.

Someone, think it was jake, mentioned the crowds for the free tastings. I've never waited longer than an hour myself, but have noticed them jump in size in direct correlation to Disney reducing the amount of them and increasing the price of the samples at the booth.

When one tiny appetizer sample and wine sample for two people can set you back close to $20 now (you know, what it might cost for two people to have real meal in the real world), it stands to reason that more folks are going to want to go the free route.

Soon, you'll all be able to defend Disney charging for FastPass ... and maybe one day ... to use the restrooms too!

Whenever I wonder why the country/world is in the state it is in, I can always come back to a Disney forum to see how ingrained 'defending da man' truly is in 21st century USA.

 

[Master Yoda]

That is, of course your opinion, but after seeing 1-2 hour waits for the past 3 years, I for one applaude this change:

I would tend to agree. "Free" tends to translate into madhouse. Some recent examples that come to mind are the recent KFC baked chicken and Denney's free grand slam fiasco. I avoided the free shows at F&W for this very reason. If an $8 price tag is all it takes to make these events actually enjoyable then so be it.

 

[TalkingHead]

But he only sees any change as negative. He is stuck somewhere in another era. I didn't say he was wrong, but he paints it as a bad thing when in fact it's a good thing.

Absolute statements are almost never right. This one isn't right, either. But I'm sure if 74 wants to correct you, he will.

On another note, JT, have you realized that you're actually more predictable than 74? He at least gives credit where he thinks credit's due. His thread about the highlights from his last trip is proof of that. But he's also willing to be honest about the low points, as he sees them.

Yet you seem to never see anything TDO does as a low point. Can you tell us the last time you thought TDO made a bad decision?

 

[WDW1974]

JT follows me around here like a fanboi with an online hard-on. He does it to distract from the discussions and the points I (and others make) ... and he apparently does so with the blessings and love of the mods.

I don't really give a damn. I'm going to post what is newsworthy. If he makes every thread about me being a WDW hater (again, I'll remind that he and most of the folks who claim I can only write negatively about WDW totally ignored my thread on my recent great WDW trip and it died quickly), so be it.

I'd hope people can read over that and see the substance of the posts.

Disney is taking something that has ALWAYS been free and charging $8 for it. That's the bottom line ... and it is being done to improve it.

But if you think this is great, by all means let Disney know!

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Ohh Id gladly pay double.................................

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Disney is taking something that has ALWAYS been free and charging $8 for it. That's the bottom line ... and it is being done to improve it.

But if you think this is great, by all means let Disney know!

surely the word NOT is missing?

 

[jakeman]

I knew the 'Defending da Man' crowd here would have a feast with this one.

It's just another money-gubbing move by very calculating execs who are only interested in short term gains for the company's bottom line and long term gains to their careers.

Someone, think it was jake, mentioned the crowds for the free tastings. I've never waited longer than an hour myself, but have noticed them jump in size in direct correlation to Disney reducing the amount of them and increasing the price of the samples at the booth.

When one tiny appetizer sample and wine sample for two people can set you back close to $20 now (you know, what it might cost for two people to have real meal in the real world), it stands to reason that more folks are going to want to go the free route.

Soon, you'll all be able to defend Disney charging for FastPass ... and maybe one day ... to use the restrooms too!

Whenever I wonder why the country/world is in the state it is in, I can always come back to a Disney forum to see how ingrained 'defending da man' truly is in 21st century USA.

Again, that is your opinion.

I've been to the F&W festival every year for the past 7 years so I can say with, I feel at least, some authority that the wine tasting wait times have gotten out of hand. Five years ago we were able to do multiple tastings in one trip since the waits were only 15 minutes or so. Last year we were in line for one the wife really wanted to see 1 hour beforehand and we didn't get in.

We noticed the increase no less than 3 years ago when they were still doing two tastings in the old festival centers.

However, if I'm "defending the man" then I guess I should point out your pathological hatred of Disney management.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Ohh Id gladly pay double.................................

You mean double what they were charging before? Sounds like a deal to me. Heck, Id pay triple! :lol:

 

[jt04]

I would tend to agree. "Free" tends to translate into madhouse. Some recent examples that come to mind are the recent KFC baked chicken and Denney's free grand slam fiasco. I avoided the free shows at F&W for this very reason. If an $8 price tag is all it takes to make these events actually enjoyable then so be it.

Exactly. Free and quality are not usually compatible. Especially when it comes to food. I just got tired of the walmarted mass production the event was taking on. Now maybe quality will be the mantra.

 

[TalkingHead]

I've personally had my fill of the jt-74 love letters, I have to say. Every thread turns into this kind of thing. Just get a room already.

I think this could be an interesting debate to read, but it looks like it's going to turn into another "Why 74 needs to lighten up/ Why jt needs to get a clue" pillowfight. That should be very enlightening, just like the previous 87 of them were.

I agree with you that it gets tiresome, but of those two, one of them contributes legitimate information and the other just pretends his speculation is fact--and insists he is right even when you have insiders telling him he's wrong.

So of those two, why don't the moderators get rid of the spin doctor and keep the one with the real information?

 

[krankenstein]

:brick: :brick: :brick:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

You mean double what they were charging before? Sounds like a deal to me. Heck, Id pay triple! :lol:

Thats the spirit, all $8 worth.

Still free takes the pleasure out of minesweeping.:lookaroun

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Again, that is your opinion.

I've been to the F&W festival every year for the past 7 years so I can say with, I feel at least, some authority that the wine tasting wait times have gotten out of hand. Five years ago we were able to do multiple tastings in one trip since the waits were only 15 minutes or so. Last year we were in line for one the wife really wanted to see 1 hour beforehand and we didn't get in.

I haven't been to one of these things in years. Does your experience back up what 74 said, basically that the freebie lines grew longer as the priced samples grew more expensive?

If he's right, that would seem to provide a rather cynical justification for removing the freebies, to remove a "problem" that didn't exist before the prices started going up.

 

[WDW1974]

I would tend to agree. "Free" tends to translate into madhouse. Some recent examples that come to mind are the recent KFC baked chicken and Denney's free grand slam fiasco. I avoided the free shows at F&W for this very reason. If an $8 price tag is all it takes to make these events actually enjoyable then so be it.

Well, when the economy is in a depression and people are paying huge sums of money just to walk in the gate, free is gonna get attention.

But that's not really the point.

Maybe if the samples that were once bigger than the size of a quarter were still $1-2 and not in many cases over $4 and $5 ... well, maybe people wouldn't be so eager to get something for free.

When people feel nickel and dimed they are much more likely to try and get something back from the company.

And I have done Food and Wine annually as long as it has existed, I haven't not enjoyed a free tasting. It's allowed me to try wines and foods I might not ever IF I were paying ... it allowed me to expand my dining horizons.

 

[Eeyore]

I've personally had my fill of the jt-74 love letters, I have to say. Every thread turns into this kind of thing. Just get a room already.

I think this could be an interesting debate to read, but it looks like it's going to turn into another "Why 74 needs to lighten up/ Why jt needs to get a clue" pillowfight. That should be very enlightening, just like the previous 87 of them were.

Agreed and I believe they and others have been warned about this once before. I'm very tired of potentially interesting discussions being ruined by the childish back and forth.

I knew the 'Defending da Man' crowd here would have a feast with this one.

So one or two people makes a crowd now? Comments like these from you are what cause people to look at your posts in such a negative light. You put people on the defensive and you seem to enjoy that. Your approach to posting tends to fire up the people with the opposing viewpoint and the moderate opinions get lost in the crossfire. I don't think you give people enough credit, just because someone disagrees with you does not make them an appologist. If only life were as black and white as people on internet discussion forums (on just about any topic) like to make it seem. :shrug:

Now as far as the food and wine festival goes. I've thought it was overpriced from the first one I attended, I'm really surprised people are willing to pay what they do for what they get. :shrug: