I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere, but I couldn't locate it...How much with the FLE expand MK's capacity?
By a little bit... Mermaid can handle around 220 guests at a time, plus the not small line.. Factor in a few stores, Beasts restaurant and the Snow White MG too plus walking space and there's easily a ballpark of 5000. Tomorrowland 74-5 was still more...
Tomorrowland 74-5 was still more...
Thank you for that part, Martin. :wave:
TDO's mindless marketing blather about FLE being "the biggest expansion in Magic Kingdom history" is insulting, and just plain wrong. It's basically a lie.
At best that lie is a product of a clueless TDO Marketing Department staffed by a bunch of texting-tweeting idiotic 20somethings who don't bother to research their company's product or their own personal production. At worst that lie is a product of a less-clueless TDO Marketing Department staffed with barely intelligent people who think the consumers they are texting-tweeting at are too stupid to know WDW's own recent history. Either way, it's not good.
The Tomorrowland expansion of 1974-75 was bigger than the Fantasyland remodel, er, expansion of 2012-14 in every way possible; new park acreage, hourly ride capacity, facility square footage, and total attraction count.
FLE is a good thing for the Magic Kingdom overall, but TDO is lying when they say it's the "biggest expansion in history". One only need to go back to the Disco Era to realize they are lying, or more likely, that TDO doesn't even know its own history.
Was Tland actually an expansion or was it more of a phase 2 of the original plans.
It's not a lie... from a certain point of view. I'm sure FLE will cost more than the Tomorrowland expansion if you don't adjust for inflation (not sure what happens if you do). That point of view helps further the idea that this is the greatest thing to ever happen and so that's the idea that marketing will latch on to.Thank you for that part, Martin. :wave:
TDO's mindless marketing blather about FLE being "the biggest expansion in Magic Kingdom history" is insulting, and just plain wrong. It's basically a lie.
At best that lie is a product of a clueless TDO Marketing Department staffed by a bunch of texting-tweeting idiotic 20somethings who don't bother to research their company's product or their own personal production. At worst that lie is a product of a less-clueless TDO Marketing Department staffed with barely intelligent people who think the consumers they are texting-tweeting at are too stupid to know WDW's own recent history. Either way, it's not good.
The Tomorrowland expansion of 1974-75 was bigger than the Fantasyland remodel, er, expansion of 2012-14 in every way possible; new park acreage, hourly ride capacity, facility square footage, and total attraction count.
FLE is a good thing for the Magic Kingdom overall, but TDO is lying when they say it's the "biggest expansion in history". One only need to go back to the Disco Era to realize they are lying, or more likely, that TDO doesn't even know its own history.
Was Tland actually an expansion or was it more of a phase 2 of the original plans.
It's not a lie... from a certain point of view. I'm sure FLE will cost more than the Tomorrowland expansion if you don't adjust for inflation (not sure what happens if you do). That point of view helps further the idea that this is the greatest thing to ever happen and so that's the idea that marketing will latch on to.
I believe that was the end of phase 1? Anyway, if it happens more than a year or two after opening, I'd definitely consider it an expansion.
Don't disagree, just curious how much was known and planned when WDW opened and just not done or if they came up with it after opening.
There's this guy named Martin Smith:lookaroun and he put out a pretty good 3 part tribute to TL and its history. I'd suggest checking it out.
The funny thing about the Fantasyland Expansion is that it they keep saying "it will double the size of Fantasyland" which is true if you're talking about the current size of FL, but really when they're finshed "expanding" it, it's going to be the exact same size it was in the 90's when "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" and "Mickey's Birthdayland" were both still open :lookaroun :ROFLOL:
The funny thing about the Fantasyland Expansion is that it they keep saying "it will double the size of Fantasyland" which is true if you're talking about the current size of FL, but really when they're finshed "expanding" it, it's going to be the exact same size it was in the 90's when "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" and "Mickey's Birthdayland" were both still open :lookaroun :ROFLOL:
I dont recall birthdayland, but if it was the precursor to toon town, then the expansion back to include the Beaty and the Beast area would make this expansion larger?:shrug:
The funny thing about the Fantasyland Expansion is that it they keep saying "it will double the size of Fantasyland" which is true if you're talking about the current size of FL, but really when they're finshed "expanding" it, it's going to be the exact same size it was in the 90's when "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" and "Mickey's Birthdayland" were both still open :lookaroun :ROFLOL:
By a little bit... Mermaid can handle around 220 guests at a time, plus the not small line.. Factor in a few stores, Beasts restaurant and the Snow White MG too plus walking space and there's easily a ballpark of 5000. Tomorrowland 74-5 was still more...
Did some Googling this evening, and came up with some amazing capacity numbers. The Tomorrowland expansion of 1975 (Space Mountain & Carousel of Progress in January '75, and the PeopleMover in July '75) added some truly massive ride capacity to the park that year. It helps that the Carousel Theater and PeopleMover ride systems are the two highest ride capacity systems they've ever built, but still, the Tomorrowland expansion of '75 was truly epic.
Sit down before you read these numbers...
Tomorrowland Expansion 1975 Hourly Capacity
Space Mountain - 1800 riders per hour
Carousel of Progress - 3600 riders per hour
PeopleMover - 4000 riders per hour
Total 1975 Expansion = 9400 riders per hour
Versus what we already know about the Fantasyland Expansion of 2012-14 based on the existing DCA version of Mermaid, the doubling of the current Dumbo capacity, a guesstimate of the mine train, and a subtraction for the closure of Snow White's Scary Adventures.
Fantasyland Expansion 2012-14 Hourly Capacity
Little Mermaid - 2000 riders per hour
Dumbo (the gain of one additional spinner) - 600 riders per hour
Mine Train - 1200 riders per hour
Snow White's Scary Adventures - Subract 700 riders per hour
Total 2012-14 Expansion = 3100 riders per hour
It's roughly one-third the ride capacity they added to Tomorrowland back in '75. Amazing, isn't it? :animwink:
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