Tony the Tigger
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Trade accepted!Going back to the initial thread headline?
I would gladly trade our governor for Florida's, LOL.
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FL Governor tells CDC to get its act together
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Archie123
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Looks like De Santis is caving like most people thought he would. He was playing chicken and he knew he was going to lose.
www.fox13news.com
Report: DeSantis nearing compromise on cruise vaccination requirements
There is some indication that a compromise may be in sight when it comes to vaccine requirements aboard ships.
"Royal Caribbean reverses, won’t require passengers on U.S. cruises to be vaccinated
Royal Caribbean International will no longer require any of its cruise passengers to be vaccinated for COVID-19 as it had previously planned to.
In a press release Friday announcing cruises for sale on eight of its ships from U.S. ports this summer, starting with Freedom of the Seas from PortMiami on July 2, the company said it will recommend passengers get the COVID-19 vaccine, but not require it. The announcement is a reversal from previous statements and vaccine protocols the company submitted to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month that said it would require all passengers at least 18 years old and older to be vaccinated.
“Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible,” the company said in a statement. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”
The about-face is an apparent submission to Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has insisted that there will be no exception made for cruise companies to a newly passed Florida law that fines companies $5,000 each time they ask a patron to provide proof of vaccination. Royal Caribbean International’s sister brand Celebrity Cruises (both owned by Royal Caribbean Group) is still requiring all passengers 16 years old or older be vaccinated on its seven-night Caribbean cruises that are restarting from Port Everglades on June 26.
Lyan Sierra-Caro, a spokesperson for Royal Caribbean International, said the plans to require passengers be vaccinated that the company submitted to the CDC only applied to its test cruises. According to CDC rules, cruise ships that don’t meet certain vaccination thresholds for passengers and crew must first do a successful test cruise before they can restart revenue cruises.
“Our intention is to comply with all federal, state and local laws,” she said via email.
On May 26, the cruise line updated its website to say that passengers 16 years old and older on its cruises from Seattle and The Bahamas are required to be vaccinated. Previously, the website said passengers 16 years old and older on all of the company’s U.S. cruises had to meet the requirement."
Royal Caribbean International will no longer require any of its cruise passengers to be vaccinated for COVID-19 as it had previously planned to.
In a press release Friday announcing cruises for sale on eight of its ships from U.S. ports this summer, starting with Freedom of the Seas from PortMiami on July 2, the company said it will recommend passengers get the COVID-19 vaccine, but not require it. The announcement is a reversal from previous statements and vaccine protocols the company submitted to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month that said it would require all passengers at least 18 years old and older to be vaccinated.
“Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible,” the company said in a statement. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”
The about-face is an apparent submission to Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has insisted that there will be no exception made for cruise companies to a newly passed Florida law that fines companies $5,000 each time they ask a patron to provide proof of vaccination. Royal Caribbean International’s sister brand Celebrity Cruises (both owned by Royal Caribbean Group) is still requiring all passengers 16 years old or older be vaccinated on its seven-night Caribbean cruises that are restarting from Port Everglades on June 26.
Lyan Sierra-Caro, a spokesperson for Royal Caribbean International, said the plans to require passengers be vaccinated that the company submitted to the CDC only applied to its test cruises. According to CDC rules, cruise ships that don’t meet certain vaccination thresholds for passengers and crew must first do a successful test cruise before they can restart revenue cruises.
“Our intention is to comply with all federal, state and local laws,” she said via email.
On May 26, the cruise line updated its website to say that passengers 16 years old and older on its cruises from Seattle and The Bahamas are required to be vaccinated. Previously, the website said passengers 16 years old and older on all of the company’s U.S. cruises had to meet the requirement."
This is awesome!! I remember so many on here when the Governor started his quest to make this happen saying how it was going to come back to bite him in the butt and here we are with this obvious victory for him !
I don't see that way at all. If anything they are working around a loophole in this law.
From the article:
“Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible,” the company said in a statement. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”
They are not requiring proof of vaccination in accordance with the law, but can easily make the process of getting tested and adhering to their "protocols" so unpleasant that no one in their right mind would do it.
But are they really going to ask for proof?
"The about-face is an apparent submission to Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has insisted that there will be no exception made for cruise companies to a newly passed Florida law that fines companies $5,000 each time they ask a patron to provide proof of vaccination."
So many were on here were screaming that the cruise lines would pull out and go else where. Obviously that's not happening so IMOP a win for DeSantis and Florida.
GimpYancIent
Well-Known Member
Nah, nice interpretation though.
The law does not state they can not "ask" for proof. It states they can not "require" proof. RC's workaround asks for proof but does not require it. It also takes advantage of the clause that allows them to intact safety protocols.
In essence...provide proof of vaccination card and you can have run of the ship. Don't provide it and you can plan on wearing a mask whenever you are out of your room and pretty much whatever else the cruise line decides once you leave port.
381.00316 COVID-19 vaccine documentation.—
(1) A business entity, as defined in s. 768.38 to include any business operating in this state, may not require patrons or customers to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the business operations in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict businesses from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(2) A governmental entity as defined in s. 768.38 may not require persons to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19
vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the governmental entity’s operations in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict governmental entities from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(3) An educational institution as defined in s. 768.38 may not require students or residents to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery for attendance or enrollment, or to gain access to, entry upon, or service from such educational institution in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict educational institutions from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(4) The department may impose a fine not to exceed $5,000 per violation.
(5) This section does not apply to a health care provider as defined in s. 768.38; a service provider licensed or certified under s. 393.17, part III of chapter 401, or part IV of chapter 468; or a provider with an active health care clinic exemption under s. 400.9935.
(6) The department may adopt rules pursuant to ss. 120.536 and 120.54 to implement this section.
GimpYancIent
Well-Known Member
Are you one of those non-attorney spokes people? Just asking.
Not hardly. I can read and know the difference between "ask" and "require".
EDIT: I also know to look at the actual law and not a news article or blog post paraphrasing it.
The about-face is an apparent submission to Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has insisted that there will be no exception made for cruise companies to a newly passed Florida law that fines companies $5,000 each time they ask a patron to provide proof of vaccination.
I don't know the article posted clearly used the word ask!
aliceismad
Well-Known Member
A Celebrity ship sailed from St. Maarten sailed this weekend. Celebrity is owned by Royal Caribbean International.
About 500 passengers are on board, over 95% who are fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests.
All ship crew members are also fully vaccinated.
"More than 80% of our passengers said they would prefer to sail on a ship with fully vaccinated people," Colleen McDaniel, the editor-in-chief of Cruise Critic who is aboard Celebrity Millennium, told CNN. "It's like traveling in a bubble."
www.cnn.com
About 500 passengers are on board, over 95% who are fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests.
All ship crew members are also fully vaccinated.
"More than 80% of our passengers said they would prefer to sail on a ship with fully vaccinated people," Colleen McDaniel, the editor-in-chief of Cruise Critic who is aboard Celebrity Millennium, told CNN. "It's like traveling in a bubble."
The first big cruise ship allowing American passengers sets sail over a year after the pandemic shut down the industry
The first major cruise ship open to North Americans since the industry paused over a year ago due to the coronavirus pandemic set sail on Saturday.
www.cnn.com
Show me the word "ask" in the verbiage of the law quoted below. The news can type whatever they want, correct or not, it does not alter the verbiage of the law.
381.00316 COVID-19 vaccine documentation.—
(1) A business entity, as defined in s. 768.38 to include any business operating in this state, may not require patrons or customers to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the business operations in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict businesses from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(2) A governmental entity as defined in s. 768.38 may not require persons to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19
vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the governmental entity’s operations in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict governmental entities from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(3) An educational institution as defined in s. 768.38 may not require students or residents to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery for attendance or enrollment, or to gain access to, entry upon, or service from such educational institution in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict educational institutions from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(4) The department may impose a fine not to exceed $5,000 per violation.
(5) This section does not apply to a health care provider as defined in s. 768.38; a service provider licensed or certified under s. 393.17, part III of chapter 401, or part IV of chapter 468; or a provider with an active health care clinic exemption under s. 400.9935.
(6) The department may adopt rules pursuant to ss. 120.536 and 120.54 to implement this section.
I think that is a fair expectation for anyone who isn't vaccinated. If you can't comply with the vaccination or the test than maybe cruising isn't for you. My husband and I are vaccinated our children or not and will not be right now. We would gladly provide a test .A Celebrity ship sailed from St. Maarten sailed this weekend. Celebrity is owned by Royal Caribbean International.
About 500 passengers are on board, over 95% who are fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests.
All ship crew members are also fully vaccinated.
"More than 80% of our passengers said they would prefer to sail on a ship with fully vaccinated people," Colleen McDaniel, the editor-in-chief of Cruise Critic who is aboard Celebrity Millennium, told CNN. "It's like traveling in a bubble."
The first big cruise ship allowing American passengers sets sail over a year after the pandemic shut down the industry
The first major cruise ship open to North Americans since the industry paused over a year ago due to the coronavirus pandemic set sail on Saturday.
nickys
Premium Member
They could also require you get tested every day on board. Even if the cruise line doesn’t mandate that, if you want to disembark at a port and are not vaccinated you will almost certainly need to be tested again.
It isn’t pleasant. I know that the parents of several children at the school where I work decided they would rather have the whole family self isolate for 10 days than get their child tested when they showed symptoms.
GimpYancIent
Well-Known Member
Ok. I understand the imposition of a test for the unvaccinated to get on board, makes sense. The part about being tested every day once on board makes no sense. Either you have it and can not board or you don't have it and can board with the rest of the don't have it folks.
One of the clean ones might have it and pass it too the unclean
GimpYancIent
Well-Known Member
If everyone is clean upon boarding there should be no passing on. If per chance there is a mistake made and a clean yet soiled one gets on board, guess what, the floating petri dish ( I mean cruise ship) is quarantined soiled or unsoiled. Hence, once the vessel leaves the dock its either good to go or not further testing = unnecessary irritation.
nickys
Premium Member
Aren’t there rules about if a certain number of people (anyone?) gets it the ship has to return to port? At that point my bet is everyone will have to be tested before disembarkation.
The cruise lines won’t want to take any chances with this. In the early stages, before symptoms appear (if they ever do) false negative tests are more common than later on. Therefore it’s entirely possible someone tests negative and is allowed to board but actually has Covid.
GimpYancIent
Well-Known Member
You have a short memory. When COVID19 infections were detected on vessels they were not immediately returned to port and disembarked but rather denied disembarkation and passengers + crew quarantined on the vessel. I guess all those news reports and documented stories are being rapidly forgotten.