G00fyDad
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Two people, traveling together, both get a false positive?Is it a possible false positive test or a breakthru infection? The tests seem to be as less than 100% effective as the vaccines are.
Two people, traveling together, both get a false positive?Is it a possible false positive test or a breakthru infection? The tests seem to be as less than 100% effective as the vaccines are.
Maybe but it would be highly unlikely. A false negative from the same batch, sure. But not typically to false positives from the same batch. It's just the way those tests are designed.could two tests, probably from the same batch, ever produce false positives?
I am well aware. No vaccine is 100%, everyone is different, etc, etc. What raises a red flag for me is it was 2 people in the same room. This made me start thinking that they either got vaccinated a few days before the cruise or they were not vaccinated.
The article described guests as being fully vaccinated. It's safe to assume that means they didn't accept anyone who wasn't two weeks post vaccine. Nor is there reason to suspect they faked their status.
Vaccines are not 100% effective. The range is 72 to 95 percent effective at stopping infection (J&J vs Pfizer).
It would not be shocking to learn 5 out of every 100 passengers on a cruise caught COVID. This ship had 500 passengers, so 2 is actually a good result.
Some infections is also an expected result. Therefore there's no reason to conclude the guests somehow faked their vaccination status. The results are consistent with a fully vaccinated roster.
The ship did stop in ports, so guests were not restricted to a COVID free bubble. There were also unvaccinated children on board.
Actually, it would be highly likely that the two cases would be from the same party. After all, if they share a cabin, they will have been in close proximity to each other for extremely extended periods of time, such as a total of 24+ hours. It is also equally likely that they are false positives or that one of the two is a false positive. They could also have contracted it just before their final dose of the vaccine. Another possibility is that the antibodies themselves caused a positive result. We don't know which if the vaccines they received, we also don't know for sure they got the vaccine in the U.S. and some have been known to cause false positives for as long as 3 months after the final dose.But weren't the two they found on that trip together? Highly unlikely that two people from the same group were found to have been infected after taking the vaccine.
Actually, it would be highly likely that the two cases would be from the same party. After all, if they share a cabin, they will have been in close proximity to each other for extremely extended periods of time, such as a total of 24+ hours. It is also equally likely that they are false positives or that one of the two is a false positive. They could also have contracted it just before their final dose of the vaccine. Another possibility is that the antibodies themselves caused a positive result. We don't know which if the vaccines they received, we also don't know for sure they got the vaccine in the U.S. and some have been known to cause false positives for as long as 3 months after the final dose.
Statistically speaking out of 500 people, assuming they all had the Pfizer vaccine, we would expect at least 10 people to be infected, as it.is only 98% effective. If some had Moderna that number should be higher and even some had Johnson and Johnson, it should be higher still.
So 2 out of 500 is doing extremely well statistically. Additionally, those 2 cases would be a lot less severe than if they weren't vaccinated, remember it isn't a out completely eliminating COVID, it is about making sure cases are at manageable level.
One passed it to the other. What is so hard to believe about that if they were a couple?Two people? From the same party? With the same 5% or less chance of getting the virus? At the same time?
Can you pick my next lottery numbers?
Because if you take the two most popular vaccines you have a 5% to 6% chance of getting the virus. 5% to 6%. Five. To. Six. Percent. I'm just saying that the odds that two people from the same household passed it on to one another is highly unlikely. It's more likely that both of them were full of it and lied about taking the vaccine in the first place. But yeah, I guess maybe, just possibly, in a remotely possible scenario they might have passed it on to one another. Because we know that no one has been lying about taking the vaccine so far. People are completely 100% honest.One passed it to the other. What is so hard to believe about that if they were a couple?
None of the vaccines are showing as good efficacy against the Delta variant.Because if you take the two most popular vaccines you have a 5% to 6% chance of getting the virus. 5% to 6%. Five. To. Six. Percent. I'm just saying that the odds that two people from the same household passed it on to one another is highly unlikely. It's more likely that both of them were full of it and lied about taking the vaccine in the first place. But yeah, I guess maybe, just possibly, in a remotely possible scenario they might have passed it on to one another. Because we know that no one has been lying about taking the vaccine so far. People are completely 100% honest.
That's not what the 5% number means.Because if you take the two most popular vaccines you have a 5% to 6% chance of getting the virus. 5% to 6%. Five. To. Six. Percent. I'm just saying that the odds that two people from the same household passed it on to one another is highly unlikely. It's more likely that both of them were full of it and lied about taking the vaccine in the first place. But yeah, I guess maybe, just possibly, in a remotely possible scenario they might have passed it on to one another. Because we know that no one has been lying about taking the vaccine so far. People are completely 100% honest.
This^^^But weren't the two they found on that trip together? Highly unlikely that two people from the same group were found to have been infected after taking the vaccine.
Not surprising at all for people who get tested regularly to find they've been (re)infected.I know a couple who got covid after being vaccinated. Different vaccines too. No travel. Just out eating and shopping and working like normal people do.
Eight members of the Yankees organization got covid, all while vaccinated. Is it just coincidence that they work together in close quarters?
Judge rules in favor of Florida over the CDC (at least as filing an injunction against the CDC order.
Primary bit of info here. The injunction is stayed until July 18, at which time the Conditional Sail Order will only stay as a non-binding consideration, recommendation or guideline, and not the law.
Court rules for Florida in cruise case, grants injunction stopping CDC order, but not yet
A federal court granted a preliminary injunction against the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and its conditional sail order that has shut down the cruise industry during the COVID-19 pan…www.orlandosentinel.com
Did you read the article or the lawsuit?Yay! So the cruise operators cannot ask for proof of vaccination nor can they require that their passengers nor their crew are adequately vaccinated. Big win?
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