Only those 18 and older are allowed on the test cruise. The test cruise is more to work out the mechanics of loading and unloading passengers and how well the onboard safety measures function.
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FL Governor tells CDC to get its act together
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Only those 18 and older are allowed on the test cruise. The test cruise is more to work out the mechanics of loading and unloading passengers and how well the onboard safety measures function.
They can't do a cruise without doing the simulated cruise first. CDC won't issue a Certificate otherwise.
The Florida governor signed an executive order that bars businesses, schools, and government entities across Florida from asking anyone to provide proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.
G00fyDad
Well-Known Member
If you are talking about the passport thing then that is different than a company asking if you have been vaccinated and asking to see your vaccine card. That law states that government entities in Florida are prohibited from issuing "vaccine passports or other standardized documentation for the purpose of certifying an individual's COVID-19 vaccination status to a third party. DCL can still ask for your vaccine card or at least ask about your vaccine.
twall0415
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There was an amendment where cruise lines can forgo test sailings. I believe the criteria was at least 95% of passengers had to be vaccinated and 98% of crew had to be vaccinated.
The problem with requiring passengers to be vaccinated is the age group for which vaccines have not yet been given an EUA - 12 and under.
While I agree with you, this is a concern for both the cruise lines and passengers. DCL is geared towards family cruising. How do you handle that age group, then?
That's going to be an issue to manage, IMO. Those will, frankly, be cruises without children.
One of the purposes of the simulated cruise was to test the protocols put in place for embarking, disembarking and handling a potential case onboard.
RCCL has a ship headed for the US right now that 5 crew members had to be disembarked due to positive tests or inconclusive results.
I'd feel more confident stepping back onboard, knowing that ship and crew conducted a simulated cruise, successfully passing both Phase 2A and 2B before sailing with real cruises. I'm sure I'm not the only passenger.
Per the law, they can not ask for any proof of vaccination so asking for your vaccination card is a no go under the law. There is nothing prohibiting them from asking, but without requiring proof simply asking will be utterly useless.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
it would evolve based on the approvals.
we have a 14 and a 12...I believe Royal Caribbean will require vaccination by the time we are booked to go...November
they already are (or will be by next week)...but I would expect it to be that way anyway
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
it would require a legal interpretation...
...but I’m not sure a vaccine card ISNT a passport??
It's now codified in Florida Statute. Goes into effect July 1st.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It's now codified in Florida Statute. Goes into effect July 1st.
which for a state that has been begging for tourist dollars...and then goes in front of the microphone and bashes any attempts to address that...is patently stupid.
what a hack
Are you sure about this? My understanding is that if the cruise line certifies that 98% of crew are vaccinated and 95% of passengers are vaccinated, they don't have to conduct the simulated sailings.
This is the exact text from the bill. The word "passport" is not used.
381.00316 COVID-19 vaccine documentation.—
(1) A business entity, as defined in s. 768.38 to include any business operating in this state, may not require patrons or customers to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the business operations in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict businesses from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(2) A governmental entity as defined in s. 768.38 may not require persons to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19
vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the governmental entity’s operations in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict governmental entities from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(3) An educational institution as defined in s. 768.38 may not require students or residents to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery for attendance or enrollment, or to gain access to, entry upon, or service from such educational institution in this state. This subsection does not otherwise restrict educational institutions from instituting screening protocols consistent with authoritative or controlling government-issued guidance to protect public health.
(4) The department may impose a fine not to exceed $5,000 per violation.
(5) This section does not apply to a health care provider as defined in s. 768.38; a service provider licensed or certified under s. 393.17, part III of chapter 401, or part IV of chapter 468; or a provider with an active health care clinic exemption under s. 400.9935.
(6) The department may adopt rules pursuant to ss. 120.536 and 120.54 to implement this section.
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While they can, as I stated above, this will be interesting. And will come into conflict with Section 381.00316, Florida Statutes.
Frankly, the CDC errored allowing this, IMO. Skipped a very important part of Framework. It's not just the level of vaccination for those on board, it's the mechanics of implementating all the safety protocols required to cruise under the Conditional Sail Order.
And people never lie...
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. A federal judge has already ordered both the CDC and the state to enter mandatory arbitration to resolve the ongoing lawsuit.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
this is why the cruise lines have grumbled/made veiled threats about relocating out of Florida.
cape liberty is open...the state troopers will help check vaccine “passports” for you...and you get a hell of a view on the way out...
Bob Harlem
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The cruise will go on despite the political noise. The test cruises are a waste of time anyway
Looks like the procedures worked on that particular ship, and it seems they are headed to Florida to get the crew vaccinated (since I guess Europe is really behind in the Vaccine compared to the US), the test cruise just seems like a waste of time (especially if the Ship is that high of a percentage vaccinated), it's not like there aren't already cruises going on out in Singapore and a few other spots already.
Looks like the procedures worked on that particular ship, and it seems they are headed to Florida to get the crew vaccinated (since I guess Europe is really behind in the Vaccine compared to the US), the test cruise just seems like a waste of time (especially if the Ship is that high of a percentage vaccinated), it's not like there aren't already cruises going on out in Singapore and a few other spots already.
I expect the new law to be challenged. The issue will be jurisdiction... where does the state's end at a port and where does the feds begin? And THAT'S what a cruise line will care about. Not to mention the requirements for those foreign destinations, like the Bahamas.