FL Governor tells CDC to get its act together

[nickys]

Related NCL pitched a plan to the CDC. The following is a quote from the USA Today article:

• All passengers embarking or disembarking at a U.S. port show proof of being fully vaccinated no less than two weeks before departure.
• All crew must be vaccinated at least two weeks before their duties onboard are scheduled to begin.
• Norwegian cruise lines will incorporate safety protocol developed by the Healthy Sail Panel, a task force put together with Royal Caribbean. Protocol includes testing, mask-wearing, sanitizing and more.
• Norwegian lines will start sailing on July 4 with limited capacity starting at 60% and ramping up by 20% every 30 days.

'100% vaccinated': Norwegian announces vaccine requirement for all passengers, crew on cruises

Norwegian says it will require all passengers and crew members to have "full and complete vaccinations" at least two weeks before boarding.

www.usatoday.com

How this will play with the Florida governor's ban on vaccine passports is unknown.

Not to mention the fact that the BBC is telling me this morning that there will be no US Federal vaccination passports.

 

[aliceismad]

Not to mention the fact that the BBC is telling me this morning that there will be no US Federal vaccination passports.

Yes, the press secretary said that in a briefing. I think there is a difference, though, between a government system and government sanctioned "vaccination passport" and a corporation requiring cruise guests to show proof of vaccination.

 

[Bob Harlem]

Royal just started offering cruises out of Southampton in the UK in July on one of their larger ships (Anthem).

New Anthem of the Seas summer 2021 cruises from UK available to book now

Brits can now book sailings on Anthem of the Seas for a summer holiday cruise.Royal Caribbean has opened up bookings for its recently announced summer...

www.royalcaribbeanblog.com

I think it's pretty much a given cruises in the US will be happening before the summer is over, CDC is just really behind.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Royal just started offering cruises out of Southampton in the UK in July on one of their larger ships (Anthem).

New Anthem of the Seas summer 2021 cruises from UK available to book now

Brits can now book sailings on Anthem of the Seas for a summer holiday cruise.Royal Caribbean has opened up bookings for its recently announced summer...

www.royalcaribbeanblog.com

I think it's pretty much a given cruises in the US will be happening before the summer is over, CDC is just really behind.

CDC just gave the lines the tech specs they said they needed.

Carnival balked at attempting to follow it.

It would be irresponsible for the CDC to say, "Hey, go ahead and restart cruising on July 4 with no COVID protocols. Have fun!" ... at this time.

 

[aliceismad]

I think it's pretty much a given cruises in the US will be happening before the summer is over, CDC is just really behind.

Hopefully. Yesterday Carnival canceled all it's U.S. cruises through June 30 and is allowing people to delay their last payment or cancel their own cruises booked for July.

I know the cruise lines have been pushing bookings just so they still have enough capital to not go bankrupt. But it's gotta be frustrating for people who have cruises booked.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

Royal just started offering cruises out of Southampton in the UK in July on one of their larger ships (Anthem).

New Anthem of the Seas summer 2021 cruises from UK available to book now

Brits can now book sailings on Anthem of the Seas for a summer holiday cruise.Royal Caribbean has opened up bookings for its recently announced summer...

www.royalcaribbeanblog.com

I think it's pretty much a given cruises in the US will be happening before the summer is over, CDC is just really behind.

So you have to have proof of vaccination if over 18 and at least two weeks from the second shot till sail date. Sounds like a vaccination "passport" of a kind will be needed.

 

[GimpYancIent]

So you have to have proof of vaccination if over 18 and at least two weeks from the second shot till sail date. Sounds like a vaccination "passport" of a kind will be needed.

The use of the term "vaccination passport" stirs unnecessary angst, why is it critical to use it. Simply stating proof of vaccination is sufficient. Done! But I guess its fun to poke the bear.

 

[nickys]

So you have to have proof of vaccination if over 18 and at least two weeks from the second shot till sail date. Sounds like a vaccination "passport" of a kind will be needed.

Yep. I tried asking on the RCL site “chat” feature what kind of proof they would accept, but it’s clearly a bot not a real person as it kept asking me what date and how many in the party.

 

[nickys]

The use of the term "vaccination passport" stirs unnecessary angst, why is it critical to use it. Simply stating proof of vaccination is sufficient. Done! But I guess its fun to poke the bear.

True. But in the U.K. we don’t get a card or anything to show we’ve had the shot. So what kind of proof are RCL going to accept? A signed piece of paper saying “yes I’ve been vaccinated”?

 

[aliceismad]

Yep. I tried asking on the RCL site “chat” feature what kind of proof they would accept, but it’s clearly a bot not a real person as it kept asking me what date and how many in the party.

From RCL's site:

So it appears a "passport" set up by a government entity might work, but so would the card you're given when you get your shots.

Not sure how how the UK is administering shots or recordkeeping.

 

[aliceismad]

Also just as an FYI for potential things Disney could do, NCL says it's first cruises back will be from Athens, Greece; Montego Bay, Jamaica; and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic.

Cruises & Cruise Deals | Plan Your Cruise Vacation | NCL

Cruise deals for Alaska, Hawaii, Bahamas, Europe, or Caribbean Cruises. Weekend getaways and great cruise specials. Enjoy Freestyle cruising with Norwegian Cruise Line.

www.ncl.com

 

[nickys]

From RCL's site:
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So it appears a "passport" set up by a government entity might work, but so would the card you're given when you get your shots.

Not sure how how the UK is administering shots or recordkeeping.

See my other post. We aren’t getting any card or anything. We get called up by letter, but that doesn’t prove we went to get the vaccine.

It will be on the vaccine database. And I assume on our health records. But to get hold of them you have to apply for a full copy of your health record, and I have no idea how long that might take. Or how exactly you do it.

And if they have some voluntary vaccine passport scheme, it will only be available once all adults in the U.K. have been called up for the vaccine. Not in time for the RCL sailings, or the planned DCL ones either.

 

[aliceismad]

See my other post. We aren’t getting any card or anything. We get called up by letter, but that doesn’t prove we went to get the vaccine.

It will be on the vaccine database. And I assume on our health records. But to get hold of them you have to apply for a full copy of your health record, and I have no idea how long that might take. Or how exactly you do it.

And if they have some voluntary vaccine passport scheme, it will only be available once all adults in the U.K. have been called up for the vaccine. Not in time for the RCL sailings, or the planned DCL ones either.

Yeah I'm sorry, I'm not sure on the UK records. That's unfortunate that the guidance isn't better for you.

 

[nickys]

Yeah I'm sorry, I'm not sure on the UK records. That's unfortunate that the guidance isn't better for you.

Which is why I think DCL are waiting. RCL are banking on something being sorted out in time, but I have my doubts that will happen.

As discussed earlier, DCL haven’t yet said that vaccination will be required for these U.K. sailings. It may be they are willing to be flexible and use PCR test results maybe a couple of times before boarding.

 

[aliceismad]

Which is why I think DCL are waiting. RCL are banking on something being sorted out in time, but I have my doubts that will happen.

As discussed earlier, DCL haven’t yet said that vaccination will be required for these U.K. sailings. It may be they are willing to be flexible and use PCR test results maybe a couple of times before boarding.

Honestly, I don't think some of the cruise lines have been very forthcoming with information during covid. I've personally had and heard other stories of a lack of answers or conflicting answers from cruise personnel. I think there's a good chance that they put language out there to try to boost consumer confidence (and stock markets?) before a solid plan was in place. (Or at least before a solid plan was communicated with all their staff, like customer service people.)

 

[nickys]

Another thing none of them have explained yet is how they are going to get their crew vaccinated.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Another thing none of them have explained yet is how they are going to get their crew vaccinated.

I’m sure if we can send 2.5 million vaccine doses to Mexico, we can set some aside for a business entity Americans enjoy. We are sending vaccine to Mexico and Canada to indirectly keep Americans safe. This would also do that. We will give A-Z vaccines to anyone!

 

[nickys]

I’m sure if we can send 2.5 million vaccine doses to Mexico, we can set some aside for a business entity Americans enjoy. We are sending vaccine to Mexico and Canada to indirectly keep Americans safe. This would also do that.

But none of these cruise lines are American. Except maybe DCL. And presumably most of the crew are currently at home.

These cruise lines are planning to sail in Europe and the ships are already over here. There’s nothing for US citizens to enjoy, they can’t join these sailings. Why would the US government allow a non US company hundreds of vaccines when US citizens won’t benefit from them?

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

But none of these cruise lines are American. Except maybe DCL. And presumably most of the crew are currently at home.

These cruise lines are planning to sail in Europe and the ships are already over here. There’s nothing for US citizens to enjoy, they can’t join these sailings. Why would the US government allow a non US company hundreds of vaccines when US citizens won’t benefit from them?

 

[ToTBellHop]

But none of these cruise lines are American. Except maybe DCL. And presumably most of the crew are currently at home.

These cruise lines are planning to sail in Europe and the ships are already over here. There’s nothing for US citizens to enjoy, they can’t join these sailings. Why would the US government allow a non US company hundreds of vaccines when US citizens won’t benefit from them?

I’m assuming we’d vaccinate crews on ships that will sail from American ports. The President just said we’d be in a position to send many vaccine doses elsewhere soon. I can’t see why this couldn’t be part of that. We will have 300m AZ doses we don’t want.