aliceismad
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Carnival sailed from Galveston and Miami this weekend. Large ships too - Horizon and Vista. The news stories I have seen said 95% of those onboard are vaccinated.
Did somebody say that there were laws prohibiting vaccinated people from cruising? I'm confused.There are no laws that I am aware of in FL or TX that stop vaccinated guests from sailing on cruise ships.
But there are laws preventing the cruise ships from requiring a vaccination.There are no laws that I am aware of in FL or TX that stop vaccinated guests from sailing on cruise ships.
I'm glad you had a nice trip. Did you go ashore in Nassau, and if so, how was the experience?I just got back yesterday from a 4 night cruise out of Miami on Freedom of the Seas. It went pretty smoothly, if the CSO gets moved to recommendations on the 18th, they'll probably drop the mask requirement but leave pretty much everything else as is. They've been doing the no mask thing from the ones that started in the Caribbean ports for a month now. Most places were pretty open regardless, only a handful of places (Bars) didn't allow unvaccinated, which tbh was just mostly kids. I don't think I saw an adult (but I really wasn't checking). They were using wristbands.
I expect things to ramp up pretty quickly if the good streak quickly. But man was the limited (about 33%) capacity really relaxing and nice, no problems finding space to do stuff or relax.
Checking in was a bit weird, but not bad, they are strict on arrival times now.
Since those who are unvaccinated are subject to so many restrictions, then surely anyone who is vaccinated are going to want to prove they are. So are they free to show proof of their vaccination status to the cruise line voluntarily upon boarding?Cruise lines can't bar the unvaccinated from getting on the boat.
They can, however, make them pariahs while on the boat.
Win-win.
The cruise lines can not "require" proof to sail, but there is nothing in the current law that prevents them from asking. (the exact text of the law is posted below)The law also allows the cruise lines to set screening protocols on those that do not provide proof of vaccination.Since those who are unvaccinated are subject to so many restrictions, then surely anyone who is vaccinated are going to want to prove they are. So are they free to show proof of their vaccination status to the cruise line voluntarily upon boarding?
Does the law in Florida and Texas allow for that? If so, problem solved. Cruise lines aren’t asking for proof but passengers can prove their status.
I was kind of hoping it would end with them pushing her chair to the bottom of the ramp and then tilting her out of it like emptying a wheelbarrow.
It's interesting to see NCL taking a different approach.
I agree.I am glad that they are sticking to their guns. They said they will not have non-vaccinated guests on their cruises so I hope they are able to do so and if not then I hope they sail out of another state entirely.
By the way, I used a sad emoji for you post. It wasn't for your comment about tilting her out of the wheelchair, it was for her behavior.I was kind of hoping it would end with them pushing her chair to the bottom of the ramp and then tilting her out of it like emptying a wheelbarrow.
Lots of crow to be eaten.
Is a victory a victory when it's been reversed? Don't eat your crow before they're hatched...
Don't know if this has been discussed yet but the leadership of FL keeps winning victory after victory!
And the process plays along. You think this is the end all victory against DeSantis? Really? You’re better than that.Is a victory a victory when it's been reversed? Don't eat your crow before they're hatched...
Appeals court allows CDC to enforce rules for cruise ships in blow to DeSantis
A federal appeals court ruled Saturday night that the CDC can enforce its framework for cruise ships returning to operation, overturning an earlier district court ruling that would have made the CDC's guidelines mere suggestions.Why it matters: The resumption of cruise ship activity has been a...news.yahoo.com
In blow to DeSantis, court blocks order lifting CDC virus rules on Florida cruise ships
ST. PETERSBURG — A federal appeals court has temporarily blocked a judge’s ruling that sided with a Florida lawsuit challenging U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention pandemic …www.orlandosentinel.com
In blow to DeSantis, court blocks order lifting CDC virus rules on Florida cruise ships
ST. PETERSBURG — A federal appeals court has temporarily blocked a judge’s ruling that sided with a Florida lawsuit challenging U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention pandemic regulations for cruise ship operation.
The one-paragraph decision by a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals was filed at 11:50 p.m. Saturday, just minutes before a Tampa judge’s previous ruling was set to take effect.
The judges’ issuance of a temporary stay keeps the CDC regulations regarding Florida-based cruise ships in place while the CDC appeals the June decision by U.S. District Judge Steven Merryday.
The lawsuit, championed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, claims that the CDC’s multiple-step process to allow cruising from Florida is overly burdensome, harming both a multibillion-dollar industry that provides some 159,000 jobs and revenue collected by the state. ...
The CDC first flatly halted cruise ships from sailing in March 2020 in response to the coronavirus pandemic, which had affected passengers and crew on numerous ships.
Then the CDC on Oct. 30 of last year imposed a four-phase conditional framework it said would allow the industry to gradually resume operations if certain thresholds were met. Those included virus mitigation procedures and a simulated cruise to test them before embarking regular passengers.
Merryday’s decision concluded that the CDC can’t enforce those rules for Florida-based ships and that they should merely be considered nonbinding recommendations or guidelines. Several cruise lines have begun preliminary cruises under those guidelines, which the Tampa judge agreed with Florida are too onerous. ...
The 11th Circuit’s brief decision did not include any opinions from the judges, which the panel said would be released later. The decision noted that one appeals judge dissented.
You were pretty much implying it was the end-all with your 'eating crow' comment. So much for seeing how it plays out.And the process plays along. You think this is the end all victory against DeSantis? Really? You’re better than that.
It doesn’t mean anything regarding the merits of the case. Let’s see what happens next.
I was responding to the people who said it wouldn’t make it past the district level judge.You were pretty much implying it was the end-all with your 'eating crow' comment. So much for seeing how it plays out.
Is a victory a victory when it's been reversed? Don't eat your crow before they're hatched...
Appeals court allows CDC to enforce rules for cruise ships in blow to DeSantis
A federal appeals court ruled Saturday night that the CDC can enforce its framework for cruise ships returning to operation, overturning an earlier district court ruling that would have made the CDC's guidelines mere suggestions.Why it matters: The resumption of cruise ship activity has been a...news.yahoo.com
In blow to DeSantis, court blocks order lifting CDC virus rules on Florida cruise ships
ST. PETERSBURG — A federal appeals court has temporarily blocked a judge’s ruling that sided with a Florida lawsuit challenging U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention pandemic …www.orlandosentinel.com
In blow to DeSantis, court blocks order lifting CDC virus rules on Florida cruise ships
ST. PETERSBURG — A federal appeals court has temporarily blocked a judge’s ruling that sided with a Florida lawsuit challenging U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention pandemic regulations for cruise ship operation.
The one-paragraph decision by a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals was filed at 11:50 p.m. Saturday, just minutes before a Tampa judge’s previous ruling was set to take effect.
The judges’ issuance of a temporary stay keeps the CDC regulations regarding Florida-based cruise ships in place while the CDC appeals the June decision by U.S. District Judge Steven Merryday.
The lawsuit, championed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, claims that the CDC’s multiple-step process to allow cruising from Florida is overly burdensome, harming both a multibillion-dollar industry that provides some 159,000 jobs and revenue collected by the state. ...
The CDC first flatly halted cruise ships from sailing in March 2020 in response to the coronavirus pandemic, which had affected passengers and crew on numerous ships.
Then the CDC on Oct. 30 of last year imposed a four-phase conditional framework it said would allow the industry to gradually resume operations if certain thresholds were met. Those included virus mitigation procedures and a simulated cruise to test them before embarking regular passengers.
Merryday’s decision concluded that the CDC can’t enforce those rules for Florida-based ships and that they should merely be considered nonbinding recommendations or guidelines. Several cruise lines have begun preliminary cruises under those guidelines, which the Tampa judge agreed with Florida are too onerous. ...
The 11th Circuit’s brief decision did not include any opinions from the judges, which the panel said would be released later. The decision noted that one appeals judge dissented.
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