Fix or replace the monorail

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
The monorails are just part of the overall maintenance issues. If they were replacing them one at a time over the past ten years it would not be such a capital outlay all at once that seems to be the reason for not doing it
This has been Disneys standard practice for a long time. You see it with almost all the attractions in the parks. They let things go until its in complete disarray, then seem to only do the minimum because of cost and downtime, or just remove the effect/issue. It amazes me that a company that prided it self and was built on its quality standard, can let anything like the monorail quality be available for guests.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
This has been Disneys standard practice for a long time. You see it with almost all the attractions in the parks. They let things go until its in complete disarray, then seem to only do the minimum because of cost and downtime, or just remove the effect/issue. It amazes me that a company that prided it self and was built on its quality standard, can let anything like the monorail quality be available for guests.
That is where I have a problem. You see a decline... I don't! You see a place that has been let go and I see a situation were only someone that doesn't understand maintenance would think that those monorail trains have been running millions of miles without intense maintenance. It just defies all logic to me. I ride them every visit I have made, (44 times over the last 35 years) and I have never encountered a problem either then or now. I find it hard to believe that I specifically have that much luck. Yes, the trains are older, but, when one takes into consideration the mileage along with the numbers of people that have ridden them over those years it seems impossible to think anything other then wow, they are good at keeping things working. I would be surprised if every single train hasn't been rebuilt at some point in time or the other. Mechanical things just plain don't keep working that long and that hard without being taken care of. For what it's worth.
 
Hey @marni1971 ....have the recent safety issues with the monorails started any actual conversations about getting replacements upgrades sooner than the current plan (always scheduled, always pushed back)?
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
Since they have all that concrete already there, I could see them widening the roadway from a beam to a track... then it's a simple matter to install the LSMs and put in a Peoplemover circuit...
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
Since they have all that concrete already there, I could see them widening the roadway from a beam to a track... then it's a simple matter to install the LSMs and put in a Peoplemover circuit...
That would be insanely expensive and less efficient.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
And what a shame. How many municipalities wouldn't love to have an overhead, quiet mass transit system. Disney really needs to view the monorail as a mass transit system that's cool, rather than a cool ride that moves lots of people....

And before you say, "but they do", stop and think how many large municipalities would let one of their major thoroughfares get to this point (other than for lack of $$).

See Boston for an exemplar
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I don't understand how Parks and Resort can replace 3 trains in CA but can't continue to replace trains in FL. How dose one get the budget and the other doesn't. I thought they were all run by the same division within Parks and Resorts.

Because the DL fans in the LA Basin are very vocal and the local media holds Disney's feet to the fire. Unlike the WDW Newsletter (aka Orlando Sentinel)
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I do not think they will be replaced by the 50th. I do think they current fleet will still be around for the 50th. I am unconvinced either way as to if the 60th WDW anniversary will still feature Monorails. But for now they are refurbishing the trains one by one. Orange and to a lesser extent, blue, are in good shape right now. Gold is currently under the knife but Orange is already showing signs of grime building back up. Sadly it seems impossible for them to keep them clean. What changed? They use to keep them clean?

The budget for a proper cleaning crew at night. No magic just cost cutting to satisfy Disney's real customer Wall St
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I think they should have stopped building DVCs 10 years ago. It's ruined the ambiance of the resort, in my opinion. However, as long as DVC is a cash cow and allows them thousand of more sheep...er customers per year they'll keep building them.

DVC is immensely profitable it allows Disney to build hotels for 'free'. Example. BLT based on initial point cost made Disney about 850,000,000 best estimates ive heard is BLT cost 225,000,000 to build and furnish.

Yet what only 30% of the rooms are DVC inventory. Why not 100% the members paid for it lock stock and barrel.

Yes DVC members are seen as sheep to be fleeced, and they are BIG TIME.
 

RScottyL

Well-Known Member
I've said it before and I'll say it again - The day they get rid of the monorails is likely the day I stop visiting WDW. That will be the straw that breaks my back. If there's one thing that, for me, is synonymous with WDW, it's the monorails. I love them. And I cannot imagine visiting the place without them.


I agree 100%!

You can't think of Disney parks without thinking of the monorails!
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
How much are they spending on Rat, GotG and Tron again? ;)
Not very much compared to the cost of completely converting monorail track into Peoplemover track. Not to mention those will all be new attraction that to some degree add to the parks where converting monorail to people mover will reduce capacity.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
From what I heard second-hand, the monorails are one of the top 2 things the under-18 crowd remembers about WDW, along with the pools, according to a Google analysis. To me, that highlights the need to not only maintain them and the track but also improve and modernize the fleet.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
That is where I have a problem. You see a decline... I don't! You see a place that has been let go and I see a situation were only someone that doesn't understand maintenance would think that those monorail trains have been running millions of miles without intense maintenance. It just defies all logic to me. I ride them every visit I have made, (44 times over the last 35 years) and I have never encountered a problem either then or now. I find it hard to believe that I specifically have that much luck. Yes, the trains are older, but, when one takes into consideration the mileage along with the numbers of people that have ridden them over those years it seems impossible to think anything other then wow, they are good at keeping things working. I would be surprised if every single train hasn't been rebuilt at some point in time or the other. Mechanical things just plain don't keep working that long and that hard without being taken care of. For what it's worth.
Wow! If a monorail running with the door open and people in it doesn't show you there is a problem, I don't know what will.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Wow! If a monorail running with the door open and people in it doesn't show you there is a problem, I don't know what will.
Well, it does tell a single problem that has, as far as we know, only happened once in over 40 years. Hardly a reason to go running to the woods or being convinced that the sky is falling. If you're driving down the road and have a flat tire does that mean the you junk the car or do you fix the tire. That is all that was, no one was hurt and if anyone stepped outside the door when it was moving was probably dumber then a bucket of rocks so no great loss. Would it have been better to stop the train and make people climb down on firemen's ladders when all they had to do was stay away from the door until it got to the station and then unharmed stepped off the train with no delays, but, an interesting story. It could have been a serious situation, but, it wasn't and the right choice was made because fortunately the train contained a few guest with working common sense. Let's say they did stop the train... what do you think would have happened and while we are at it, exactly how does one anticipate a mechanical failure that has never happened before and is unlikely to every happen again? That could happen to a brand new train, there is no other connection other the mechanical breakdowns happen.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Well, it does tell a single problem that has, as far as we know, only happened once in over 40 years. Hardly a reason to go running to the woods or being convinced that the sky is falling. If you're driving down the road and have a flat tire does that mean the you junk the car or do you fix the tire. That is all that was, no one was hurt and if anyone stepped outside the door when it was moving was probably dumber then a bucket of rocks so no great loss. Would it have been better to stop the train and make people climb down on firemen's ladders when all they had to do was stay away from the door until it got to the station and then unharmed stepped off the train with no delays, but, an interesting story. It could have been a serious situation, but, it wasn't and the right choice was made because fortunately the train contained a few guest with working common sense. Let's say they did stop the train... what do you think would have happened and while we are at it, exactly how does one anticipate a mechanical failure that has never happened before and is unlikely to every happen again? That could happen to a brand new train, there is no other connection other the mechanical breakdowns happen.
For me its a clear symptom. I see too much laziness around the parks to think otherwise. And what if that happened at park close with a packed car? Just because it hasn't happened before, doesn't excuse it.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
For me its a clear symptom. I see too much laziness around the parks to think otherwise. And what if that happened at park close with a packed car? Just because it hasn't happened before, doesn't excuse it.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, however, unless it starts to happen regularly to me it will always be a random mechanical malfunction and not worthy of any real concern. It's easy to read way to much into a situation.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, however, unless it starts to happen regularly to me it will always be a random mechanical malfunction and not worthy of any real concern. It's easy to read way to much into a situation.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle here. Yes these are old trains and it is truly amazing they run as well as they do considering just how much use they get. Some of these incidents could easily be chalked up to a one in a million thing because well these trains have made millions of trips. That being said working with these and since riding them regularly I have noticed a gradual consistent decline in maintenance and increase in incidents. There is really no excuse how these trains could be going on 30 years without having a thorough refurbishment. A trip to the paint booth may make them look nice for another few years but even so when you look at them closely you can tell they’re in pretty rough shape.
 

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