EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

DreamfinderGuy

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I’m okay with a partial demo if it means expanding/shortening the first floor or the upstairs Image Works in the back (Although the former would be better, space can always be filled with something). Would prefer a gutting on both counts, but whatever needs done to put something good there I guess.
 

trainplane3

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Not cememted but warped, stuck, and with additional equipment bolted to it and conduits drilled through it. It won’t turn again but it’s actual pit could be revealed. If only.

Fun fact. The original drive motors for it are still in place.
I should note that I don't expect the turntable to work again. I was just putting something out there as an example of the laundry list of questions they could possibly run through when it comes to overhaul vs complete demo. Heavily summarizing the possible process.
 

UNCgolf

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They could always demo it and then rebuild the pyramids or something very similar on top of the new building (although I don't expect that to happen).
 

Figments Friend

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I personally would rather they not demo the entire Pavilion.
No need for that if they just clear all of the interior on the ground level.
A lesson today's Disney really needs to learn - Do not destroy what came before , build upon the foundation.

The building has plenty of space when you remove all of the claustrophobic walls that were put up in 1998 for the re-do into the 'Imagination Institute' setting.
They could indeed build something marvelous and imaginative in there once again, but it will only happen when someone at the top of the ladder decides it needs to happen.
To date, that is not a priority....sadly.

Time changes all things, however.

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UNCgolf

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I would prefer they not demolish the building as well, but they've let parts of it get so decrepit that I wouldn't be surprised if it was more expensive for them to refurb than start from scratch, especially since old parts of the original ride (like the turntable) are still there. They'd have to pull all of that stuff out to build something actually new and impressive; it would probably require a complete gutting of the original building.
 

Epcot82Guy

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I also have to wonder if a partial demo would include a bit of reorientation. If the "World Neighborhoods" stick, arguably the entrance could be reoriented so you enter a sort of courtyard off the Rose walk. So, the pyramids are actually toward the back of the pavilion ala some of the WS pavilions.
 

Timothy_Q

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Why refurb when you can demo and rebuild something inferior at 2x/3x/4x/+ the price? Refurbs don't get the "LOOK AT WHAT I DID!!!" reaction that guys like Chapek are seeking.
You mean the guy that approved the cheap refurbs of Mission Breakout, Pixar Pier, Nano Battle, Iron Man Coaster in DLP, etc.

Honestly I’d rather a rebuild than another one of these projects
 

CJR

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You mean the guy that approved the cheap refurbs of Mission Breakout, Pixar Pier, Nano Battle, Iron Man Coaster in DLP, etc.

Honestly I’d rather a rebuild than another one of these projects

Just a note, to be fair, these are all projects outside of WDW. Outside of Mickey, which will be a solid attraction, things have been different for the most part in FL.
 

tirian

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I never said that the technology itself was fickle, just that ROTR is exceptionally unreliable and that gives me pause for concern. While all of the other trackless attractions you named are operational (not living overseas, I’ve no idea how they behaved when they first debuted) none of them are currently operating in the domestic parks. I’ve been told that the powers that be have wanted to cheapen out on important construction materials that just don’t hold up the same, which can vary from project to project (against the recommendations of those actually building it), and every little adjustment can impact the behavior of the ride operation.

Yes, rides break down, including the “tried and true.” I’d say that’s more from not so great maintenance from what I generally see, but certain ride systems are also more particular than others. But I’ve never heard of a new Disney attraction being as temperamental as ROTR has been.



This is, of course, a definite possibility. Indiana Jones at DL and Dinosaur at DAK have frequent breakdowns due to the sensor technology on the track. If even a little hydraulic fluid is detected on the path of the jeep, the ride will shut down. With the trackless vehicles, it’s even more imperative that the floor they operate on is perfectly flat. The elevator technology was already perfected with TOT.



This all leads to my main point. We’re all unfortunately just guessing why ROTR is having as many technical issues as it is. Growing pains are normal, but I’m not used to seeing a new attraction struggle as much as this one out of the gate. But it’s an excellent attraction, and I’d love to see that level of imagination inspire something new for the Imagination Pavilion.

More important in my eyes s that the new attraction would have high capacity. The parks desperately need more attractions that are high capacity. I don’t want to further derail, but I recommend looking at the amount of attractions and average wait times at Disneyland Resort and then compare them to Walt Disney World. It’s not good that the parks so often get high-capacity attractions replaced with low-capacity ones (if anything at all in many cases), especially if the goal is to get even more guests visiting the parks.
Peter Pan at DL averages a 45-minute wait. Forty-five minutes. That’s how much more there is to do in DL vs. the MK.

But I digress. ;)

A new Imagination attraction needs to be a full-scale, old-school pavilion again. It needs a long, crowd-crunching attraction to absorb all those guests who have completed FW’s 3-minute-long rides. It needs a cutting-edge tech playground that allows guests to actually use their imagination. It needs a 3-D show worth keeping open. It could also benefit from a new quick-service window (new construction) serving Insta-ready creations inspired by the little purple dragon.
 

RSoxNo1

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Peter Pan at DL averages a 45-minute wait. Forty-five minutes. That’s how much more there is to do in DL vs. the MK.

But I digress. ;)

A new Imagination attraction needs to be a full-scale, old-school pavilion again. It needs a long, crowd-crunching attraction to absorb all those guests who have completed FW’s 3-minute-long rides. It needs a cutting-edge tech playground that allows guests to actually use their imagination. It needs a 3-D show worth keeping open. It could also benefit from a new quick-service window (new construction) serving Insta-ready creations inspired by the little purple dragon.
Peter Pan in California is also a less efficient ride than Florida.

Now let's come up with some food options for the Imagination quick service:

  • Kid's Meal: Two Tiny Wings
  • Ice Cream can be a Dream Come True
  • Dreampork
 
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Bender123

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This debate is pretty funny...The idea of IP making a ride worse cant be used in this situation, as its essentially a side grade.

I like it better, but ultimately, its still the same ride experience and is going to fall solely on which IP you prefer.
 

EPCOTCenterLover

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Peter Pan at DL averages a 45-minute wait. Forty-five minutes. That’s how much more there is to do in DL vs. the MK.

But I digress. ;)

A new Imagination attraction needs to be a full-scale, old-school pavilion again. It needs a long, crowd-crunching attraction to absorb all those guests who have completed FW’s 3-minute-long rides. It needs a cutting-edge tech playground that allows guests to actually use their imagination. It needs a 3-D show worth keeping open. It could also benefit from a new quick-service window (new construction) serving Insta-ready creations inspired by the little purple dragon.
Other than the big E Ticket attraction, it sounds similar to what is planned for much of the PLAY pavilion. Maybe not a bad thing to have on each side of Future World if thats already the direction this half of the park is going for. Not that I like the PLAY pavilion, though. Back to the original intent and substance of Imagination? ABSOLUTELY!
 
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