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Homemade Imagineering

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Chupaca Bruh said:
I have said this in the past but the Imagination Pavilion should be the best, most spectacular, innovative ride that everyone can ride. It should top all rides in all of the Disney parks in the world. It is the epitome of what Disney was, and is, all about. It should be the one ride that the budget is huge. It should make all Disney fans want to go to Epcot and experience it.
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I completely agree 100%! The Walt Disney company was founded on imagination for gosh sakes!!! It’s such an important topic to create a ride on, and needs to be given the proper attention soon!
 
Mike S

Mike S

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Chupaca Bruh said:
I have said this in the past but the Imagination Pavilion should be the best, most spectacular, innovative ride that everyone can ride. It should top all rides in all of the Disney parks in the world. It is the epitome of what Disney was, and is, all about. It should be the one ride that the budget is huge. It should make all Disney fans want to go to Epcot and experience it.
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If that type of renovation is what’s coming I have a feeling the ride wouldn’t stay unique to EPCOT. Disney doesn’t seem to do big exclusive rides these days in their domestic parks except FoP but that’s because no other parks apparently wanted it if rumors are to be believed.
 
misfitdoll

misfitdoll

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RoysCabin said:
Seriously, it's astounding how poorly the aesthetic that was in circa mid-90s/early 00s has aged, not just in Disney but in pop culture in general. Every generation of aesthetics has something about it people aren't exactly eager to bring back (e.g. the strange color palettes of the 70s, some of the 80s more questionable 'neon' choices, etc.), but that particular era had such a busy, crowded look and a vibe of trying to cram far, far too much visual information in one place, whereas right before it and now after it you see more of a preference for sleeker/cleaner designs (I'm thinking DisneyQuest and the original Downtown Disney West Side as examples of that "90s aesthetic" as I write that out). No greater contrast than CommuiCore to Innoventions, or yeah, the complete closing of the open look of the original Imagination pavilion...man, no wonder EPCOT got hit the hardest with that hammer than any of the other parks, and astounding that it's taking this long to finally undo a lot of the worst of it. Doesn't mean what comes next will be perfect, but still.

Great, now I want to read a research paper or book on what social forces informed each generation's overall look, and see if there are reasons that make sense and that I can sympathize with.
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I’ve been dissecting this recently myself, as some of the less conventional bits of the 90’s fashion aesthetic are making their way back into pop culture. We just rewatched Seinfeld (originally aired 1989-1998) start to finish and I enjoyed watching the minute design changes occur over the course of the show. Computer aided graphic design was so new back then, and basic concepts even my children understand in 2019 (leaving appropriate white space, kerning, etc.) were not yet well understood/executed. Even the fonts of the time period (Jokerman!) have this primitive digital design vibe. I’ve seen modern work intentionally using these visual 90’s-vibe cues in a cleaner, more tasteful way while still sparking nostalgia but they went ALL IN on redesigns for Epcot at peak ugly.
 
Timothy_Q

Timothy_Q

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Mike S said:
If that type of renovation is what’s coming I have a feeling the ride wouldn’t stay unique to EPCOT. Disney doesn’t seem to do big exclusive rides these days in their domestic parks except FoP but that’s because no other parks apparently wanted it if rumors are to be believed.
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Well, the Guardians coaster is not part of any Marvel land.

There's that at least
 
Mike S

Mike S

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TJ Vazquez said:
Phil just being Phil
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PorterRedkey

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brb1006 said:
Yeah that's what I was going for, hopefully if a new version of the ride gets built from scratch. They could find a way to make the interior look closer to the original layout. But that's doubtful at this point. But the murals found at the queue looked thousands times betters than the current version.
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I miss that artwork almost as much as I miss the Horizons mural. I would love to have a series of prints to hang in my Disney room!
 
PorterRedkey

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Phil12 said:
It opened in 1983 and was a popular attraction for several years. After about 12 years, it lost its popularity. By 1995 it was a ghost town most of the time. Of course, just as with other unpopular attractions (such as the Tiki Room, CoP and CBJ) during periods of heavy visitation the unpopular rides do get some traffic. However, during normal visitation Journey Into Imagination did not attract very many guests. It was shut down in 1998 for renovations in the hope they could spur attendance. However, as we all know, they only made it worse. But at least we still have the ever popular Dr. Nigel Channing!
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The story goes much deeper than that and includes the rerouting of the queue to lower attendance of JII. This was done to spur Kodak to pay for a refurb, which Disney wanted. IIRC.
 
Phil12

Phil12

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PorterRedkey said:
The story goes much deeper than that and includes the rerouting of the queue to lower attendance of JII. This was done to spur Kodak to pay for a refurb, which Disney wanted. IIRC.
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Indeed, there are myriad excuses for why the attraction was closed including insidious plots by Micheal Eisner. However, the bottom line was that it got old and boring for most guests. Also, it didn't help that Dreamfinder gave off a rather creepy vibe as was depicted by Butters in the South Park Imaginationland parody.

I recognize that certain defunct and near-defunct attractions garner very loyal fanatic followers. It's hard for them to accept that some attractions do not age well and they need to be put down. Some people just become so invested in these attractions that they fail to understand that Dreamfinder had a rather undesirable atmosphere about him as opposed to the much more popular Dr. Nigel Channing who has a friendly comedic character.

Also, it doesn't help that several well known and liked actors played the role of Dreamfinder (including a young Joe Rohde) and some loyal fans conflate the character with the actors. The same thing is true about the ride itself in that Tony Baxter is so closely associated with this ride. Some fans think that the change in JII showed scorn and disdain for Mr. Baxter's work.

Suffice it to say that there is a lot of extra baggage that goes along with JII and the loyal fan base wants all their perceived wounds healed and they want their creepy Dreamfinder back along with ImageWorks.

I view it as the past is a bucket of ashes. Let's not put the ashes in an urn and store them on the living room mantel for the rest of our lives or bequeath them to new generations. Let's instead cast the ashes to the wind and let Disney create a new and exciting attraction!
 
Horizons '83

Horizons '83

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Phil12 said:
Indeed, there are myriad excuses for why the attraction was closed including insidious plots by Micheal Eisner. However, the bottom line was that it got old and boring for most guests. Also, it didn't help that Dreamfinder gave off a rather creepy vibe as was depicted by Butters in the South Park Imaginationland parody.

I recognize that certain defunct and near-defunct attractions garner very loyal fanatic followers. It's hard for them to accept that some attractions do not age well and they need to be put down. Some people just become so invested in these attractions that they fail to understand that Dreamfinder had a rather undesirable atmosphere about him as opposed to the much more popular Dr. Nigel Channing who has a friendly comedic character.

Also, it doesn't help that several well known and liked actors played the role of Dreamfinder (including a young Joe Rohde) and some loyal fans conflate the character with the actors. The same thing is true about the ride itself in that Tony Baxter is so closely associated with this ride. Some fans think that the change in JII showed scorn and disdain for Mr. Baxter's work.

Suffice it to say that there is a lot of extra baggage that goes along with JII and the loyal fan base wants all their perceived wounds healed and they want their creepy Dreamfinder back along with ImageWorks.

I view it as the past is a bucket of ashes. Let's not put the ashes in an urn and store them on the living room mantel for the rest of our lives or bequeath them to new generations. Let's instead cast the ashes to the wind and let Disney create a new and exciting attraction!
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FrankLapidus

FrankLapidus

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Phil12 said:
Some people just become so invested in these attractions that they fail to understand that Dreamfinder had a rather undesirable atmosphere about him as opposed to the much more popular Dr. Nigel Channing who has a friendly comedic character.
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You need to work on your technique, this is far too on the nose - if you're going to continue to troll here, you should try to be a lot more subtle in how you go about it.
 
PorterRedkey

PorterRedkey

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Phil12 said:
Indeed, there are myriad excuses for why the attraction was closed including insidious plots by Micheal Eisner. However, the bottom line was that it got old and boring for most guests. Also, it didn't help that Dreamfinder gave off a rather creepy vibe as was depicted by Butters in the South Park Imaginationland parody.

I recognize that certain defunct and near-defunct attractions garner very loyal fanatic followers. It's hard for them to accept that some attractions do not age well and they need to be put down. Some people just become so invested in these attractions that they fail to understand that Dreamfinder had a rather undesirable atmosphere about him as opposed to the much more popular Dr. Nigel Channing who has a friendly comedic character.

Also, it doesn't help that several well known and liked actors played the role of Dreamfinder (including a young Joe Rohde) and some loyal fans conflate the character with the actors. The same thing is true about the ride itself in that Tony Baxter is so closely associated with this ride. Some fans think that the change in JII showed scorn and disdain for Mr. Baxter's work.

Suffice it to say that there is a lot of extra baggage that goes along with JII and the loyal fan base wants all their perceived wounds healed and they want their creepy Dreamfinder back along with ImageWorks.

I view it as the past is a bucket of ashes. Let's not put the ashes in an urn and store them on the living room mantel for the rest of our lives or bequeath them to new generations. Let's instead cast the ashes to the wind and let Disney create a new and exciting attraction!
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It sound like there are a lot of personal opinions in your post.
You didn’t like Dreamfinder, ok. You want a completely new imagination pavilion, fine.

However, I have never lived in a world where the annoying (my opinion) Dr. Nigel Channing is more popular than Dreamfinder.
 

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