EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

rle4lunch

Well-Known Member
Truthfully, I believe this is a complete lie. If effort/investment was put into marketing it in commercials, etc. and making a point to say it’s something you’ve gotta see as part of your EPCOT experience (just like it used to be), it would. And fan/public goodwill is ‘everything’, it determines how much money will be made and everything. You want that goodwill/good word of mouth, cause ‘that’ is the thing that’s gonna bring more people in, thus more profits.
They can't market a clunky a $$ ride that can't even attract lifelong Epcot goers (I've been going since 1982 when I was 6} anymore. I agree, they think "why fix something when it still makes money?" That's their M.O. on alot of their subpar rides and attractions. Milk them till they're a dried up liver spot.

Then drop a nostalgic popcorn bucket for the rubes to scoop up and sell on eBay. It's gold, Jerry!
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
They can't market a clunky a $$ ride that can't even attract lifelong Epcot goers (I've been going since 1982 when I was 6} anymore. I agree, they think "why fix something when it still makes money?" That's their M.O. on alot of their subpar rides and attractions. Milk them till they're a dried up liver spot.

Then drop a nostalgic popcorn bucket for the rubes to scoop up and sell on eBay. It's gold, Jerry!
The next iteration of Figment will be ride vehicles that look like popcorn buckets and popcorn falls on you throughout the whole ride.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

Well-Known Member
They can't market a clunky a $$ ride that can't even attract lifelong Epcot goers (I've been going since 1982 when I was 6} anymore. I agree, they think "why fix something when it still makes money?" That's their M.O. on alot of their subpar rides and attractions. Milk them till they're a dried up liver spot.

Then drop a nostalgic popcorn bucket for the rubes to scoop up and sell on eBay. It's gold, Jerry!
Yet, here we are and we haven't even seen a Spaceship Earth Popcorn bucket yet....

It's been the same ride with minor enhancements, movement of scenes but the whole thing has been the same ever since...
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
Posting this here, for anyone who just might be visiting Epcot this weekend….

As President and Charter Member of the Tony Baxter Fan Club, tis’ my duty to announce -

Disney Legend Tony Baxter will be visiting Epcot for the Festival of the Arts THIS weekend ( February 1st and 2nd ).
He will appearing at Communicore Hall at the Disney Fine Art area on both Saturday and Sunday from 12 to 2, and again from 3 to 5.

Disney Fine Art recently released a pair of prints featuring two of Tony’s own personal art pieces, both of which can be viewed and purchased here -


Be sure to stop by and wish him a very happy birthday on the 1st!
✨🥳✨

-
 
Truthfully, I believe this is a complete lie. If effort/investment was put into marketing it in commercials, etc. and making a point to say it’s something you’ve gotta see as part of your EPCOT experience (just like it used to be), it would. And fan/public goodwill is ‘everything’, it determines how much money will be made and everything. You want that goodwill/good word of mouth, cause ‘that’ is the thing that’s gonna bring more people in, thus more profits.
That actually got me thinking. So, let's just say that some worker at a company wanted to make a Dragon Tales ride (this is assuming this company owns the rights to it). After all, a lot of 20-somethings loved Dragon Tales when they grew up as kids. Surely this'll be a hit, right?

Unfortunately though, they forget to take into account the bigger picture. And that's kids. Very few kids today even know what Dragon Tales is. And you might say, "okay that's true, but they could easily reintroduce these timeless characters to kids through their parents! Maybe we could reboot Dragon Tales and get it popular with the kids again!"

Okay, sure. Sounds good, right? But this company owns Cocomelon too (again, this is just a scenario where both Dragon Tales and Cocomelon were owned by the same company). Well, why waste time trying to take a risk on a Dragon Tales reboot when Cocomelon is already really popular with kids today? What's the point? So, they instead make Cocomelon: The Ride.

This is Disney's POV:

Considering the Dreamfinder and the pre-1998 ride is even older than Dragon Tales at this point, and it's last year open was 26 years ago (Dragon Tales stopped airing 14 1/2 years ago, for comparison), they're even more irrelevant at this point and even more absurd of an idea, at least in Disney's eyes.

Kids born in 2020 sure as hell don't know the Dreamfinder, teenagers born in 2010 don't know the Dreamfinder, and most grown adults born in 2000 won't know the Dreamfinder; if they do, it won't be from experience, as they weren't even alive when the original ride was still operating. Even 30 year olds born in 1994 and 1995 will likely barely even remember the original ride, if at all.

Refurbishing a ride to restore the 1983 version when most people under like 32-35 would have little/no memory of the original ride over just selling merch to kids and opening a Figment meet-and-greet and just keeping the ride as-is really doesn't make sense to Disney's POV.

Figment is still popular as a character. Maybe not as much with the ride, but the kids still seem to love Figment. I've had to wait in surprisingly long lines for Figment over my trips in the last 5 or so years. Why waste money closing the ride, taking like two years to reopen it and add in the Dreamfinder? Maybe it'll make a tiny bit more money, but not enough to justify a whole ride refurbishment.

From my POV, he deserves to reunite with Dreamfinder, but with the current state of Disney theme parks, I just can't see it happening for at least 5-10 years, if ever. We might live in a world where, in the year 2037, Figment has outlived Great Movie Ride, Splash Mountain AND Muppet-Vision 3D. And that just makes me miserable.

TL;DR - making a massive refurbishment to bring back the 1983 ride (this would also include audio and visual enhancements, polishing up the ride) over just keeping the ride as-is really isn't financially viable. It wouldn't make them any money in the grand scheme of things.

All Disney cares about is the money, and if they don't have to rework Figment, they won't.
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
And speaking of my boy Tony Baxter…and the current topic of why the current ride never seems to get redone…

He once said to me that the only way to get the Imagination Attraction ‘fixed’ is to convince WDW Management that it NEEDS to be done.

And that’s the trick…
They have to be motivated and see a need to make it happen.

Thus far, no need has been seen.
Lots of talk, but talk is cheap.
Action speaks louder than words.

So, how do you convince them that this should happen?
That is NEEDS to happen?
Follow the money….

That is your homework assignment, folks.
Discover the answer and you just might see changes.

-
 

Agent H

Active Member
Posting this here, for anyone who just might be visiting Epcot this weekend….

As President and Charter Member of the Tony Baxter Fan Club, tis’ my duty to announce -

Disney Legend Tony Baxter will be visiting Epcot for the Festival of the Arts THIS weekend ( February 1st and 2nd ).
He will appearing at Communicore Hall at the Disney Fine Art area on both Saturday and Sunday from 12 to 2, and again from 3 to 5.

Disney Fine Art recently released a pair of prints featuring two of Tony’s own personal art pieces, both of which can be viewed and purchased here -


Be sure to stop by and wish him a very happy birthday on the 1st!
✨🥳✨

-
This Is awesome!
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
This Is awesome!

Yes, it is!

I have seen no news about this anywhere….so ya’all have the ‘insider intel’.

I think it’s a pretty big deal Tony is coming to Epcot for an artist signing…and on his birthday weekend, too!
A rare East Coast opportunity for Park fans to meet a true living Legend.


You Figment fans had better show up in droves and visit with him!

THIS IS YOUR BIG CHANCE to meet the man who has not only given us Figment & Dreamfinder, but an incredible series of Attraction blockbusters that have defined the Disney Theme Park experience for the last five decades.


So get yourself to Epcot this weekend, folks.
He loves talking to the fans and is very open to discussion.
And be sure to view and perhaps consider purchasing some of his lovely artwork, too!

✨

-
 
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Yes, it is!

I have seen no news about this anywhere….so ya’all have the ‘insider intel’.

I think it’s a pretty big deal Tony is coming to Epcot for an artist signing…and on his birthday weekend, too!
A rare East Coast opportunity to meet a true living Legend.


You Figment fans had better show up in droves and visit with him!
He loves talking to the fans and is very open to discussion.

Buy some of his lovely artwork, too!

✨

-
I live about 7 hours from WDW, so theoretically I could ride down there, but I can't (dealing with medical issues right now). Because of this, I am not a true Figment fan™.
 

Agent H

Active Member
Yes, it is!

I have seen no news about this anywhere….so ya’all have the ‘insider intel’.

I think it’s a pretty big deal Tony is coming to Epcot for an artist signing…and on his birthday weekend, too!
A rare East Coast opportunity for Park fans to meet a true living Legend.


You Figment fans had better show up in droves and visit with him!
THIS IS YOUR BIG CHANCE to meet the man who has not only given us Figment & Dreamfinder, but an incredible series of Attraction blockbusters that have defined the Disney Theme Park experience for the last five decades.

So get yourself to Epcot this weekend, folks.
He loves talking to the fans and is very open to discussion.
And be sure to view and perhaps consider purchasing some of his lovely artwork, too!

✨

-

Yes, it is!

I have seen no news about this anywhere….so ya’all have the ‘insider intel’.

I think it’s a pretty big deal Tony is coming to Epcot for an artist signing…and on his birthday weekend, too!
A rare East Coast opportunity for Park fans to meet a true living Legend.


You Figment fans had better show up in droves and visit with him!

THIS IS YOUR BIG CHANCE to meet the man who has not only given us Figment & Dreamfinder, but an incredible series of Attraction blockbusters that have defined the Disney Theme Park experience for the last five decades.


So get yourself to Epcot this weekend, folks.
He loves talking to the fans and is very open to discussion.
And be sure to view and perhaps consider purchasing some of his lovely artwork, too!

✨

-
this the coolest thing to ever happen to CommuniCore hall!
 
There's one thing I am curious about. Prior to August 2010 when Kodak let go of the sponsorship, there was an exhibit with Figment appearing throughout. It seemed to be some sort of interactive stage activity:



What was this like? I'd love to see some more footage of this. It looked pretty cool (not "OG ImageWorks cool", but still cool).
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
We are sure about this right? I don’t wanna get out there only to be disappointed

Yep.

Officially listed on the WDW Website, under the Artist Signings.


Screen shots of the schedule for both days, listing Mr. Baxter -

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You can trust the President of the Tony Baxter Fan Club.
😎

-
 

GenChi

Well-Known Member
If Figment sells ridiculous crap tons of merchandise as is why should they bother "fixing" him?

Because it's an IP without its tentpole evergreen media, and you need to invest in IP to keep those sales going with new audiences.

For something like Stitch the film is made avaliable in endless formats so new audiences can experience it. Haunted Mansion still has the ride that made it a thing. Figment's selling angle is a ride that has not existed for a quarter century and many parkgoers weren't even alive for. The supposed tentpole is a ride that's about to reach its full natural lifespan of 25 years and is unpopular in a way the character isn't. If no investment is made into any IP it's going to falter over time as interest wanes, and you need to get the next generation to have a reason to care about Figment besides being "the cute old Epcot mascot" if you're keeping this (or any) level of sales.

The ride is going to need a revamp in a few years regardless as rides its age do. If they want to take him international they have to introduce him with other media, but if they want to keep the local mania going and continue having 10,000 park items sell out they have to invest in him and Epcot at some point.
 

Inspired Figment

Well-Known Member
That actually got me thinking. So, let's just say that some worker at a company wanted to make a Dragon Tales ride (this is assuming this company owns the rights to it). After all, a lot of 20-somethings loved Dragon Tales when they grew up as kids. Surely this'll be a hit, right?

Unfortunately though, they forget to take into account the bigger picture. And that's kids. Very few kids today even know what Dragon Tales is. And you might say, "okay that's true, but they could easily reintroduce these timeless characters to kids through their parents! Maybe we could reboot Dragon Tales and get it popular with the kids again!"

Okay, sure. Sounds good, right? But this company owns Cocomelon too (again, this is just a scenario where both Dragon Tales and Cocomelon were owned by the same company). Well, why waste time trying to take a risk on a Dragon Tales reboot when Cocomelon is already really popular with kids today? What's the point? So, they instead make Cocomelon: The Ride.

This is Disney's POV:

Considering the Dreamfinder and the pre-1998 ride is even older than Dragon Tales at this point, and it's last year open was 26 years ago (Dragon Tales stopped airing 14 1/2 years ago, for comparison), they're even more irrelevant at this point and even more absurd of an idea, at least in Disney's eyes.

Kids born in 2020 sure as hell don't know the Dreamfinder, teenagers born in 2010 don't know the Dreamfinder, and most grown adults born in 2000 won't know the Dreamfinder; if they do, it won't be from experience, as they weren't even alive when the original ride was still operating. Even 30 year olds born in 1994 and 1995 will likely barely even remember the original ride, if at all.

Refurbishing a ride to restore the 1983 version when most people under like 32-35 would have little/no memory of the original ride over just selling merch to kids and opening a Figment meet-and-greet and just keeping the ride as-is really doesn't make sense to Disney's POV.

Figment is still popular as a character. Maybe not as much with the ride, but the kids still seem to love Figment. I've had to wait in surprisingly long lines for Figment over my trips in the last 5 or so years. Why waste money closing the ride, taking like two years to reopen it and add in the Dreamfinder? Maybe it'll make a tiny bit more money, but not enough to justify a whole ride refurbishment.

From my POV, he deserves to reunite with Dreamfinder, but with the current state of Disney theme parks, I just can't see it happening for at least 5-10 years, if ever. We might live in a world where, in the year 2037, Figment has outlived Great Movie Ride, Splash Mountain AND Muppet-Vision 3D. And that just makes me miserable.

TL;DR - making a massive refurbishment to bring back the 1983 ride (this would also include audio and visual enhancements, polishing up the ride) over just keeping the ride as-is really isn't financially viable. It wouldn't make them any money in the grand scheme of things.

All Disney cares about is the money, and if they don't have to rework Figment, they won't.
There’s a key audience they’re missing here (which is where my demographic comes into the picture). I’m in my 20s and became a HUGE fan nearly 13 years ago through YouTube videos of & about the original attraction and would LOVE to be able to see it in person, the way it was designed to be. I’m also a huge collector and researcher and have been mainly collecting 83-98 era merch & material, and anything new that really captures that original ride & characters for more than a decade now. Fans in my demographic are much higher than you think they might be.. they are big percentage of folks buying the Figment merch and clamoring for the OG ride’s return aswell.

And on the point of Dragon Tales, as you wanted to mention.. in what I wanted to illustrate about Journey Into Imagination..don’t forget.. you don’t even need a rebooted show to showcase why those characters & original show are nostalgic & popular as-is. All us adults are now sharing that show w today’s kids. The ‘same exact’ show we remember, not a reboot/remake. The classic one we remember, and it still holds up for both sets of audiences. So in my mind, it’d be much better to invest in something (in this case an attraction as you brought up) that stays true to the original show, retains the original actors, character designs & backgrounds, musical score/composer, etc. but simply utilizes today’s technology.
Seems foolish to me not to take into consideration, something kids ‘and’ parents can enjoy together. It is ‘not’ strictly about the kids and never has been. If the adults aren’t enjoying themselves, there’s a massive problem.
Like I said before, the very same points can be applied to the original Journey Into Imagination and Dreamfinder & Figment. They ‘just’ released a Little Golden Book btw that’s the original ride’s story in storybook form and it’s wonderful for all ages. Walt ‘never’ was in the business of strictly entertaining kids for kids’ sakes. He was in the business of making everyone happy, regardless of age. But it’s the adults spending the money, children don’t have the money.
 
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