Festival of the Lion King closes January 5th

[Nemo14]

George is a poopyhead.

 

[Cesar R M]

I volunteer to be the bashee of the board. Go ahead and bash away. I'm assuming you like seeing a grown man with one lone tear rolling down his cheek, Native American against litter style.

Anyhoo, just attack the argument if you disagree with it. Don't attack the poster. For example, I wouldn't say "@Cesar R M is a poopyhead." Instead, I would say, "All the points raised by @Cesar R M are poopyheads."

One final thought. Would you believe, I am a Disney employee in charge of generating "The List"?

George, how could you.. TREACHERY!!!

 

[ford91exploder]

Blah...I've explained my history with entertainment and Disney. You've just demonstrated a hatred for both. That's all.

I believe, therefore, I am a more reliable source. I kid...

1 - Avatar is being built. I mean...really? REALLY?
2 - You anticipate based on nothing but your own feelings.
3 - There was absolute need to close the show, because it was not going to be running in it's current state. Quite obvious, and just based within reality. I'm not trying to defend anyone.
4 - Your own opinion.

On item 1
I would recommend reading @WDW1974 posts and there is no actual construction going on

The rest - well I've been going to WDW for 30+ years and it's been going steadily downhill with a sharp acceleration in attraction closures and cheapening of the overall experience over the past 3 years. It's my own opinion however the current TWDC management team has never failed to underperform my low expectations.

 

[NearTheEars]

we all know they will be replaced with cheaper new cast after all the rubes will never know the difference.

Wow, this is insulting.
The amount of "I'm better than everyone else because I post on a WDW message board." here is amazing.

Back to the topic at hand, we enjoyed the 12:30 performance of FOTLK today. As usual it was great.
I hope that most of the cast, if willing, is retained after the new auditions, but I would bet that many may have to move on because of the 6 month layoff.

As stated earlier, it's just how the industry works. The show is closing and the performers have no where to perform. They aren't going to pay them just sit around and do nothing until they open the new venue.

I'm glad we got to see the current show before its closure. Looking forward to the new venue when it opens and hope to see some familiar faces.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Wow, this is insulting.
The amount of "I'm better than everyone else because I post on a WDW message board." here is amazing.

Back to the topic at hand, we enjoyed the 12:30 performance of FOTLK today. As usual it was great.
I hope that most of the cast, if willing, is retained after the new auditions, but I would bet that many may have to move on because of the 6 month layoff.

As stated earlier, it's just how the industry works. The show is closing and the performers have no where to perform. They aren't going to pay them just sit around and do nothing until they open the new venue.

I'm glad we got to see the current show before its closure. Looking forward to the new venue when it opens and hope to see some familiar faces.

The question is, why is any down time necessary? They had more than enough time between the announcement of Avatar and the need to begin construction in Camp Minnie Mickey. Since they waited, I'll be upset if anything less than vertical construction is the progress on Avatar when the Lion King opens in Africa. Given all the delays in this project it really is inexcusable that they're having 5-6 months of downtime.

 

[Voxel]

The question is, why is any downtown necessary? They had more than enough time between the announcement of Avatar and the need to begin construction in Camp Minnie Mickey. Since they waited, I'll be upset if anything less than vertical construction is the progress on Avatar when the Lion King opens in Africa. Given all the delays in this project it really is inexcusable that they're having 5-6 months of downtime.

It depends, if they plan on over hauling the sets and things involved with that then yes I can see where it could take 5-6 months of down time. Also knowing the cost of lighting and sound equipment used in a theatrical production they are probably going to use the same equipment as in the currently theatre which will also add to the closure time of the production.

On item 1
I would recommend reading @WDW1974 posts and there is no actual construction going on

The rest - well I've been going to WDW for 30+ years and it's been going steadily downhill with a sharp acceleration in attraction closures and cheapening of the overall experience over the past 3 years. It's my own opinion however the current TWDC management team has never failed to underperform my low expectations.

I noticed that you get mad on every other board I read (and snap at multiple people), first off do something to change it. If your not happy write letters don't just rant on a Board all that does is get other people worked up. Instead use that energy to start a campaign to change it, you never know that one letter maybe the letter that breaks the Camels back and brings about a change. And if Disney goes down and they sells the parks like you swear they will then you know what. You can proudly say that you did something to try to save the parks instead watching them deteriorate.

I used to dance for Disney in the 90s. And I have many friends that danced, and sang, for Disney in the 2000s and still today. That is where I draw my knowledge from.

I don't believe there are any singers that opened FOLK, that are still there today. In fact, I'm quite positively certain of that fact. The rest of the show is constantly rotating. It's how all shows work.

Regardless....shows close. Shows always close. That is entertainment. Disney is not cheapening any experience with regards to this show. They are building a brand new theater to house this show. That is amazing!

And did you ever stop to think...if Disney were to close a show, and just keep the current AEA on payroll, despite them not working, that AEA wouldn't have a problem with Disney not allowing new members to audition for a show that several members may have an interest in? Despite your hatred, it works both ways. Yes, you want to care for established members. But you can't just throw the rule book aside because you want to.

And I don't DEFEND Disney's actions because I work for them. I DEFEND reality because I work in the real world.

I worked lighting for the Virginia Ballet and other preforming arts around the Richmond area. If your in the arts field your going to lose your job at some point from a show closing even it is closing for 6 months. It happens. I will agree with most of your points that you have stated. Its a rough industry, the only time I have see a ballet company keep an artist after a production was because that said artist knew carpentry and they could use him to work on other productions.

 

[RSoxNo1]

It depends, if they plan on over hauling the sets and things involved with that then yes I can see where it could take 5-6 months of down time. Also knowing the cost of lighting and sound equipment used in a theatrical production they are probably going to use the same equipment as in the currently theatre which will also add to the closure time of the production.

That makes some sense, thanks.

 

[Voxel]

That makes some sense, thanks.

I would agree with you where Disney should have just bought new equipment and did a 2 week refurb on the props and run the show again, using the old audio equipment for another project. But I don't know how much of the audio equipment is customized for the show and money. Companies don't want to spend money where they don't have to. Look at the military. They use decades old tech because they bought so much they have left over and don't want it to go to waste.

 

[Cesar R M]

I think the military thing is more of the "If it works, why let it waste"
military, critical comunication and banks rely on proven super stable technologies than super fast but unstable tech.

 

[Voxel]

I think the military thing is more of the "If it works, why let it waste"
military, critical comunication and banks rely on proven super stable technologies than super fast but unstable tech.

I work in military research and AMEN to this. Its crazy how much old tech we are still using because either it works and why replace or we bought an excessive amount for repairs and when a program ends they re-utilize the product to work for it. Its like they have a 100 square pegs left over but the new ships only take circle pegs, Well start shaving down those squares.

 

[unkadug]

I work in military research and AMEN to this. Its crazy how much old tech we are still using because either it works and why replace or we bought an excessive amount for repairs and when a program ends they re-utilize the product to work for it. Its like they have a 100 square pegs left over but the new ships only take circle pegs, Well start shaving down those squares.

Well that explains this line in your profile:

Occupation: Legally can't say​

 

[Cesar R M]

Well that explains this line in your profile:

Occupation: Legally can't say​

but he just did.. *cue NCIS theme music*

 

[unkadug]

I work in military research and AMEN to this. Its crazy how much old tech we are still using because either it works and why replace or we bought an excessive amount for repairs and when a program ends they re-utilize the product to work for it. Its like they have a 100 square pegs left over but the new ships only take circle pegs, Well start shaving down those squares.

It's the same reason a lot of companies are still using Windows XP and have no intentions of upgrading even though Microsoft has dropped support of that OS.

 

[Voxel]

but he just did.. *cue NCIS theme music*

I like my tinted glasses, plus their cars at as cool as they are in the show.

It's the same reason a lot of companies are still using Windows XP and have no intentions of upgrading even though Microsoft has dropped support of that OS.

Amen to that. Many companies are scrambling to get everything migrated to Windows 7 which is causing alot of drop support of functionality. One big functionality lose is the lose of the ability of Windows clients to search folders. The Search feature of Windows requires indexing which can not be done on some servers those you lose that feature. And that is just the start of it.

 

[Bairstow]

It depends, if they plan on over hauling the sets and things involved with that then yes I can see where it could take 5-6 months of down time. Also knowing the cost of lighting and sound equipment used in a theatrical production they are probably going to use the same equipment as in the currently theatre which will also add to the closure time of the production.

I don't get this. The sets are literally old parade floats.

 

[Cesar R M]

I don't get this. The sets are literally old parade floats.

the floats are not the only thing there.
you forgot the upper ceiling equipment? lamps, speakers, reflectors, effects, the trapeze, cabling, control center, AC units, automated doors, screens...etc....
and I'm pretty sure they modified the floats to sync the movement to the track of the show

 

[flynnibus]

Look at the military. They use decades old tech because they bought so much they have left over and don't want it to go to waste.

Not why

 

[flynnibus]

the floats are not the only thing there.
you forgot the upper ceiling equipment? lamps, speakers, reflectors, effects, the trapeze, cabling, control center, AC units, automated doors, screens...etc....
and I'm pretty sure they modified the floats to sync the movement to the track of the show

You mean the stuff a touring company puts up in days or less?

 

[flynnibus]

It's the same reason a lot of companies are still using Windows XP and have no intentions of upgrading even though Microsoft has dropped support of that OS.

Companies in that boat tend to do that because they have custom or niche software they are integrated with or depend on and are deferring tackling that upgrade or replacement.

That or they are the type the computers just do single things and never change/grow

 

[englanddg]

You mean the stuff a touring company puts up in days or less?

The touring company doesn't do much but direct and system test, it's local stage hands at each venue (IATSE members) who do most of the physical work.

So, days? Hah, try overnight most of the time.

I'm an IATSE member, I've done these traveling show setups. The worst (in my experience) was Cats (we had issues with their lighting and our stage setup), and even that we had done in less than 24 hours (they had to cut a few effects). Most shows are setup in 12 hours or less overnight as the trucks pull in. The talent normally comes in a bit later on the tour busses.