Festival of the Lion King closes January 5th

[JohnD]

And nice cheap shot about my posting level. I didn't realize you needed at least 500 posts to be able to make a valid statement.

I've noticed a lot of snobbery of those who have been around here a while. When I first got on the forum in July, I dared to make a comment about the hat in HS and received the same treatment. "You're a newbie. You don't know ****. We've been here a long time and know better." It was insulting and arrogant. You have just as much right to voice your opinion (within the boundaries set by the forum) as anyone else.

Now, I'm a "well known member". Whatever. I try not to let it get to my head and engage in the disclussion, regardless how long someone else has been a member of the forum.

 

[JohnD]

If you want to astroturf I'd recommend getting an account with a bit more history than yours.

And how do you propose he do that without posting from the first day he joins and thereafter? I suggest you engage the discussion thoughtfully rather than throw your perceived important weight around as if you're better than everyone else.

I, for one, am amazed at the constant negativity of those who claim to love everything Disney then immediately think the worst. I have news for you - If you're always looking for the worst, you will always find it.

 

[LL2WDW]

FoTLK is a long running show and the cast has been with the show from the beginning and they appear to really enjoy their roles in the show. It's quite different for a temporary annual show where one does not expect that the talent will return year after year.

If you are NOT shilling for WDW, You might find that there are a fair number of us on this board who are sick and tired of Disney constantly degrading attractions and cheapening the experience we call out Disney in social media like this board, write letters and complain to GR in the real world.

You will also find that when you have a new account and DEFEND Disney's actions many of us will assume you are part of Disney's social media brigade and show no mercy to anyone who thinks that Disney's current management practices are acceptable.

I used to dance for Disney in the 90s. And I have many friends that danced, and sang, for Disney in the 2000s and still today. That is where I draw my knowledge from.

I don't believe there are any singers that opened FOLK, that are still there today. In fact, I'm quite positively certain of that fact. The rest of the show is constantly rotating. It's how all shows work.

Regardless....shows close. Shows always close. That is entertainment. Disney is not cheapening any experience with regards to this show. They are building a brand new theater to house this show. That is amazing!

And did you ever stop to think...if Disney were to close a show, and just keep the current AEA on payroll, despite them not working, that AEA wouldn't have a problem with Disney not allowing new members to audition for a show that several members may have an interest in? Despite your hatred, it works both ways. Yes, you want to care for established members. But you can't just throw the rule book aside because you want to.

And I don't DEFEND Disney's actions because I work for them. I DEFEND reality because I work in the real world.

 

[LL2WDW]

Probably they will put a "pay" limit in the audition process?

example, current guys get 15,000 a month now due of their time working nonstop for disney.. (they started at 10,000 )

when they do the the audition process, they will do the same "we ask this XXX for this XXX position getting paid 10,000 a month!"
I dont think the older cast would want to go with a huge payment cut.

No performer at Disney makes 15,000 per month! None!!! Starting AEA is somewhere around $16/hour. It's on the equity website.

AEA has negotiated minimum salary, and Disney cannot pay beneath this amount. From there, each performer is allowed to negotiate their own salary. That is how all AEA roles work at Disney. A brand new performer, with no credits under their belt, is probably (and deservedly) going to make the starting minimum. But a seasoned performer can negotiate higher.

 

[Cesar R M]

This is WDW we're talking about here...not Broadway. Nobody makes $15,000 a month at the park.

interesting how you missed the "as example".
since I have absolutely no clue how much they earn(nor I have claimed that I knew).
christ, I dont even live in the US.

If they're making 15k a month they need to get the boot, that's way too much for in park singers...

are you kidding me?
nobody read the "as example" ?

No performer at Disney makes 15,000 per month! None!!! Starting AEA is somewhere around $16/hour. It's on the equity website.

AEA has negotiated minimum salary, and Disney cannot pay beneath this amount. From there, each performer is allowed to negotiate their own salary. That is how all AEA roles work at Disney. A brand new performer, with no credits under their belt, is probably (and deservedly) going to make the starting minimum. But a seasoned performer can negotiate higher.

you too?
I suppose I should have it mode clear..
I NEVER said THEY MADE.. I was just making an example of the cost cuts I imagine they would be doing by making new auditions.

I think I'm going to edit the original post to explain better.
(edit)
Made the edits, I hope its more clear now.

 

[ford91exploder]

I used to dance for Disney in the 90s. And I have many friends that danced, and sang, for Disney in the 2000s and still today. That is where I draw my knowledge from.

I don't believe there are any singers that opened FOLK, that are still there today. In fact, I'm quite positively certain of that fact. The rest of the show is constantly rotating. It's how all shows work.

Regardless....shows close. Shows always close. That is entertainment. Disney is not cheapening any experience with regards to this show. They are building a brand new theater to house this show. That is amazing!

And did you ever stop to think...if Disney were to close a show, and just keep the current AEA on payroll, despite them not working, that AEA wouldn't have a problem with Disney not allowing new members to audition for a show that several members may have an interest in? Despite your hatred, it works both ways. Yes, you want to care for established members. But you can't just throw the rule book aside because you want to.

And I don't DEFEND Disney's actions because I work for them. I DEFEND reality because I work in the real world.

One Astroturfer revealed, In order to be a successful astroturfer you need a thicker skin, nice try though better luck next time.


As to the points

1 - New Show Building - Being constructed so Avatar can use space, That is if it ever gets built...
2 - I anticipate new show to be shorter and have fewer CM's
3 - There was no need to 'close' the show all they needed was to transfer to a new building
4 - Nowadays TWDC cheapens everything they touch.

 

[ford91exploder]

interesting how you missed the "as example".
since I have absolutely no clue how much they earn(nor I have claimed that I knew).
christ, I dont even live in the US.



are you kidding me?
nobody read the "as example" ?



you too?
I suppose I should have it mode clear..
I NEVER said THEY MADE.. I was just making an example of the cost cuts I imagine they would be doing by making new auditions.

I think I'm going to edit the original post to explain better.
(edit)
Made the edits, I hope its more clear now.

It did not take much effort to make the Disney employee reveal themselves, If only the rest were that easy.

 

[LL2WDW]

Sorry to jump on you, Cesar R M. I was riled up!

But again, as with any show (even Broadway), you have to follow rules. If the show is closing, well the show is closing. The current performers can choose to audition again (which in all honesty, could just be a formality they go through), and negotiate a higher pay. Or brand new performers (who could be just as amazing...Disney has always hired new performers) could come in at a lower rate.

At the end of the day, $5 or even $10 an hour difference is not going to break the bank. 1 singers' pay is not the defining line item in the budget of a show as large as FOLK.

 

[LL2WDW]

One Astroturfer revealed, In order to be a successful astroturfer you need a thicker skin, nice try though better luck next time.


As to the points

1 - New Show Building - Being constructed so Avatar can use space, That is if it ever gets built...
2 - I anticipate new show to be shorter and have fewer CM's
3 - There was no need to 'close' the show all they needed was to transfer to a new building
4 - Nowadays TWDC cheapens everything they touch.

Blah...I've explained my history with entertainment and Disney. You've just demonstrated a hatred for both. That's all.

I believe, therefore, I am a more reliable source. I kid...

1 - Avatar is being built. I mean...really? REALLY?
2 - You anticipate based on nothing but your own feelings.
3 - There was absolute need to close the show, because it was not going to be running in it's current state. Quite obvious, and just based within reality. I'm not trying to defend anyone.
4 - Your own opinion.

 

[Cesar R M]

It did not take much effort to make the Disney employee reveal themselves, If only the rest were that easy.

I really hope you're not implying that "I'm a Disney Employee".
Or are you referring to someone else?

Sorry to jump on you, Cesar R M. I was riled up!

But again, as with any show (even Broadway), you have to follow rules. If the show is closing, well the show is closing. The current performers can choose to audition again (which in all honesty, could just be a formality they go through), and negotiate a higher pay. Or brand new performers (who could be just as amazing...Disney has always hired new performers) could come in at a lower rate.

At the end of the day, $5 or even $10 an hour difference is not going to break the bank. 1 singers' pay is not the defining line item in the budget of a show as large as FOLK.

Well, I do not know you, but 5$-10$ a hour difference would mean a few hundreds in a month (minimum) of difference. For some people that is really a difference.

1 - New Show Building - Being constructed so Avatar can use space, That is if it ever gets built...
2 - I anticipate new show to be shorter and have fewer CM's
3 - There was no need to 'close' the show all they needed was to transfer to a new building
4 - Nowadays TWDC cheapens everything they touch.

#2 would suck..
#3.. dont they have to move the equipment as well? (to save costs?)
I would have used that opportunity to just get newer and more efficient equipment and sell the older.(equipment as in lamps, speakers, systems..electrical)
#4 its all in the big guy impressing the investors :/

 

[ford91exploder]

I really hope you're not implying that "I'm a Disney Employee".
Or are you referring to someone else?





Well, I do not know you, but 5$-10$ a hour difference would mean a few hundreds in a month (minimum) of difference. For some people that is really a difference.



#2 would suck..
#3.. dont they have to move the equipment as well? (to save costs?)
I would have used that opportunity to just get newer and more efficient equipment and sell the older.(equipment as in lamps, speakers, systems..electrical)
#4 its all in the big guy impressing the investors :/

I was referring to the new poster who thought that forcing FoTLK to close so they could get a cheaper cast was perfectly OK, Sounded like Astroturf - did not take long before poster outed themselves as a Disney Employee

 

[Cesar R M]

I was referring to the new poster who thought that forcing FoTLK to close so they could get a cheaper cast was perfectly OK, Sounded like Astroturf - did not take long before poster outed themselves as a Disney Employee

is this astroturfer well known troll or something?
I have not been long in the forum ( I think 1 month by now?)

 

[LL2WDW]

I was referring to the new poster who thought that forcing FoTLK to close so they could get a cheaper cast was perfectly OK, Sounded like Astroturf - did not take long before poster outed themselves as a Disney Employee

Former employee. "I used to dance for Disney in the 90s". Is it a bad thing to be employed by Disney?

And I never said it was perfectly ok for Disney to close a show so they could hire cheaper talent. You implied that. I was just explaining the details behind AEA rules. Again, you put all the spin on my comments.

 

[asianway]

Former employee. "I used to dance for Disney in the 90s". Is it a bad thing to be employed by Disney?

And I never said it was perfectly ok for Disney to close a show so they could hire cheaper talent. You implied that. I was just explaining the details behind AEA rules. Again, you put all the spin on my comments.

And everything you've said about equity union rules seems to be correct.

 

[Tigger1988]

Former employee. "I used to dance for Disney in the 90s". Is it a bad thing to be employed by Disney?

And I never said it was perfectly ok for Disney to close a show so they could hire cheaper talent. You implied that. I was just explaining the details behind AEA rules. Again, you put all the spin on my comments.

I appreciate your input, nothing you've said seems off-base. Welcome to the forum, don't let anyone run you off.

 

[Kman101]

I'm no mod and NOT telling anyone what to do but IMO, we're not a mob mentality here, it shouldn't be hate on every new member or Disney employee. Let's relax. People should feel welcome to post here, whether they defend Disney or not, it's a message board and we all have different opinions. This isn't a "bash Disney" board, IMO, it's let's point out what's wrong and what's right (sadly not much on the latter, I wish it were) and discuss it and debate it. Not "my opinion is fact and yours isn't" which I see a lot from many posters (not talking about those posters who ARE right and have every right to say "I'm right").

Again, JMO

 

[Kman101]

And having followed these boards since 2007, it HAS slanted negatively, and it's almost popular to bash Disney and insult people, but we're all a little better than that. Believe me, Disney is a hot mess and I gladly point that out but I also try and appreciate what they are offering, although EPCOT's POSSIBLE (confirmed yet?) princessapalooza pavilion in WS does nothing to thrill me. Yuck.

Why are guys and boys so shut out? Not that it's not nice to visit a Princess, but seriously?

 

[Goofyernmost]

And having followed these boards since 2007, it HAS slanted negatively, and it's almost popular to bash Disney and insult people, but we're all a little better than that. Believe me, Disney is a hot mess and I gladly point that out but I also try and appreciate what they are offering, although EPCOT's POSSIBLE (confirmed yet?) princessapalooza pavilion in WS does nothing to thrill me. Yuck.

Why are guys and boys so shut out? Not that it's not nice to visit a Princess, but seriously?

If you don't understand the advanced superiority of the female in our society you have obviously never been married.

Everyone knows that boys can entertain themselves merely by making fart noises with their armpits. In fact, the lower that we are placed on the socially redeeming ladder, the happier we are. Females, it appears, need to be placed on pedestals with bright lights and adulation. It's a hormonal thing, I think.

 

[Cesar R M]

And having followed these boards since 2007, it HAS slanted negatively, and it's almost popular to bash Disney and insult people, but we're all a little better than that. Believe me, Disney is a hot mess and I gladly point that out but I also try and appreciate what they are offering, although EPCOT's POSSIBLE (confirmed yet?) princessapalooza pavilion in WS does nothing to thrill me. Yuck.

Why are guys and boys so shut out? Not that it's not nice to visit a Princess, but seriously?

this kind of behavior is everywhere believe it or not.
its the classic "This is popular, I must hate it to look cool" type hipster approach :/

 

[George]

I volunteer to be the bashee of the board. Go ahead and bash away. I'm assuming you like seeing a grown man with one lone tear rolling down his cheek, Native American against litter style.

Anyhoo, just attack the argument if you disagree with it. Don't attack the poster. For example, I wouldn't say "@Cesar R M is a poopyhead." Instead, I would say, "All the points raised by @Cesar R M are poopyheads."

One final thought. Would you believe, I am a Disney employee in charge of generating "The List"?