Preemiemama
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After waiting in the lines in the sun this summer, a virtual standby line would be helpful.
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FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was
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pdude81
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This sounds a lot like peoples' complaints regarding FP+ putting people on two lines at once
runnsally
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Sounds like being told to wait two hours to get into a two hour line…yikes.
G00fyDad
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I never said that paid fast pass wasn't coming.
EeyoreFan#24
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That's the main reason its semi interesting. I'd rather come back to the marquee instead of waiting in the weather (SDD and MFSR come to mind) and winding thought the lands.
Wendy Pleakley
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No one is arguing they haven't taken things away or that the value isn't less.
It's simply that, for some people, the value of what has been taken away isn't enough to influence their decision on where to stay.
The perks aren't the only reason people stay on property. If you know they aren't the only reason, why are you asking why people stay on property? Someone who doesn't use Magical Express or Extra Magic Hours won't change their behaviour. Others will.
I get it. Do you?
Waters Back Side
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You can wait in line at the time you arrive and do other things after or you can wait in line later when called back in the queue and do things before. Not sure what the difference is. There is no appeal to wait to be called back to a stand by line and wait.
Jeff4272
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I do. Disney just took away one of your 2 queen beds in your room and now you have to sleep on air mattresses
but hey, at least you’re near magic kingdom park!
There’s a point where if they keep taking that it doesn’t matter how close it is.
now you get it?
And for a lot of people, the things they took are a cumulative part of their entertainment dollars being spent and now not being worth it.
let me ask you, where would you draw the line?
For A lot of people that line has been crossed. The cost of on property hotels are WAY too expensive for the only real benefit is being on property and not offering anything else
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RSoxNo1
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I think the option for Lighting Pass would be as a ticket add on as opposed to a per ride use. Lightning Pass + as a per ride use makes a lot more sense.
Disney has positioned Disney World as an area for the cruise line model. Pay for a package and get an all inclusive. Now they're trying to do that and nickle and dime. Something has got to give.
Disney has positioned Disney World as an area for the cruise line model. Pay for a package and get an all inclusive. Now they're trying to do that and nickle and dime. Something has got to give.
dav23
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I’d wager that the vast majority of guests stay in Disneyworld hotels to stay in Disneyworld hotels. The perks are completely secondary to not having to leave property. Most first-time visitors won’t even know what used to be offered, they just know they can see a giraffe from their balcony or can walk to the Magic Kingdom.
Jeff4272
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I’d wager that’s inaccurate. Occupancy rates have fallen precipitously
in the past. Competition right now is more than its ever been with universals expansion. I’d wager anything that next year occupancy rates drop off
This is why they keep pulling cash rooms out of inventory to move them to DVC.
Also, there's a lot of competition just around WDW, irregardless of Universal. Many guests who would have previously stayed at the Grand or the Poly are now at the FS, Waldorf of JW. Why spend $800 a night for few perks and a cartoon-y room, when you can spend $500/night for a five star room and far, far better service?
JAB
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They're not the same. As an example, if a ride would have a 120 min. wait with standby-only, and they implement Standby Pass with a max wait time of 60 min, you would only stand in line for 60 min., giving you an extra 60 minutes to do other things vs spending all 120 min. in a standby-only line.
runnsally
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Waters Back Side
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During the busy weeks there is never a time the popular attractions are only 60 minutes. I've never seen it once. And that is when families most frequently attend Disney year after year. That's why they are considered peak weeks.
Test Track might he 120 minutes when they close the line and have you come back later and then you wait 90 minutes.
And I'm sorry, people can disagree with this all day everyday, but resort guests who pay good money and got used to annually getting free line skips where the wait is no more then 20 minutes never should have to be limited to waiting 60 minutes or pay as the only options.
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I have been told by a couple of Disney travel people that alot of the bookings are people who delayed there trips from 2020, also was told alot of it is fear NOW that if they dont do it NOW who knows that things wont get closed again. I dont think we will ever see another lockdown myself. That would cause a total meltdown worse than the last time. I dont see the Government allowing for it nationwide again.
Yeah you can play the Disney Parks App Games. Yeah just what I want to stare at my phone at WDW! WRONG!!!!!!
Waters Back Side
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The other thing nobody is talking about is with the rumored multiple options and how they work, how can it be that not a single rep when you call WDW really know nothing at this point? If its true and If they are informed a day or two before WDWs decision goes public, how do they handle all the push back, or even peoples questions and concerns when it comes time to answer questions amd explain it to them how each option works, what it entails etc?
I have to wonder if, even for a very short period of time, the old FP+ is grandfathered for those who have reservations booked for an upcoming trip a year in advance. Imagine having reservations for Thanskgiving week/weekend. If this went live October 1st, unless the new system is flawless, it will present a lot of challenges. What about those who have theor trip paid off 30 days on advance as required amd then in October and now need to spend a lot more money to have the ability to skip some lines. At least with the Magic express announcement, people have a year in advance to prepare to pay for Mears or another method of transportation.
I have to wonder if, even for a very short period of time, the old FP+ is grandfathered for those who have reservations booked for an upcoming trip a year in advance. Imagine having reservations for Thanskgiving week/weekend. If this went live October 1st, unless the new system is flawless, it will present a lot of challenges. What about those who have theor trip paid off 30 days on advance as required amd then in October and now need to spend a lot more money to have the ability to skip some lines. At least with the Magic express announcement, people have a year in advance to prepare to pay for Mears or another method of transportation.
EeyoreFan#24
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I agree. I fear very few people will understand it’s just a direct replacement for the time and would be the equivalent of waiting until the marquee and then getting out of line. You lose your spot then. I think many will have a FP mindset or complain if they miss their window. I’m ok with it, but others might not be.
No, they will announce it, then there will be a gap of a few weeks while cast are trained on it. All of this will take place prior to the date it goes live.
The entire point of this system (aside from generating money) is to make things more flexible. Nobody "needs" to spend a lot of money to skip some lines. The default is people wait in the regular line. If there's a few attractions you want to see again or skip the queue for, you can pay to do so. Don't need a big lead time to set that up. They did it in Paris in a matter of weeks.
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