FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

I never ever said you could go at any time and go on any ride and never wait more than 45 minutes.

Your statement implied it with the whole "I've been the last 15 years and never awaited in a 45 minute" line thing.

 

[G00fyDad]

So like I THOUGHT you use fastpass a lot. and you hit some rides at rope drop. You don't do stand by. That is how you are able to make this claim. Have you been since disneyworld reopened now that there are no fast pases?

You knew what he was trying to say. Everybody knew it. I've never waited on an attraction more than 30 minutes but I also use fastpass and budget my time during the day correctly. That doesn't mean that I'm lying about never waiting more than 30 minutes. Just as he didn't lie about never waiting 45 minutes or more. You're being intentionally antagonistic.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

You knew what he was trying to say. Everybody knew it. I've never waited on an attraction more than 30 minutes but I also use fastpass and budget my time during the day correctly. That doesn't mean that I'm lying about never waiting more than 30 minutes. Just as he didn't lie about never waiting 45 minutes or more. You're being intentionally antagonistic.

Never said you lied I said I didn't believe you because something is not a lie if you believe it.

 

[KrzyKtty]

So like I THOUGHT you use fastpass a lot. and you hit some rides at rope drop. You don't do stand by. That is how you are able to make this claim. Have you been since disneyworld reopened now that there are no fast pases?

You only get three reserved fast passes a day. After that I rarely used number four five and six because they were for rides I could basically walk on at that point. Before FastPass Plus, it's not like we could ever have more than one paper version at a time, so there was still a lot of standby then. And rope drop is still standby except for the very first ride you managed to rush. So yes, there were a large majority of rides we still did standby on. Good God....

And no I haven't been to Disney World since they reopened because of covid. With the world wide pandemic going on and two young children, I wasn't going to be stupid enough to take them to the worldwide equivalent of a petri dish without vaccines. Even if I had, I would still use the strict touring plans increase the number of days I went to the park to maximize efficiency and refuse to stand in a line for more than an hour. It's just not worth it. My husband and I make money, we make very good money, I have no problem increasing the number of days I go to the park to increase our enjoyment.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

You only get three reserved fast passes a day. After that I rarely used number four five and six because they were for rides I could basically walk on at that point. Before FastPass Plus, it's not like we could ever have more than one paper version at a time, so there was still a lot of standby then. And rope drop is still standby except for the very first ride you managed to rush. So yes, there were a large majority of rides we still did standby on. Good God....

And no I haven't been to Disney World since they reopened because of covid. What the world wide pandemic going on and two young children, I wasn't going to be stupid enough to take them to the worldwide equivalent of a petri dish without vaccines. Even if I had, I would still use the strict touring plans increase the number of days I went to the park to maximize efficiency and refuse to stand in a line for more than an hour. It's just not worth it. My husband and I make money, we make very good money, I have no problem increasing the number of days I go to the park to increase our enjoyment.

I appreciate your clarification. Was not trying to give you a hard time on purpose. You made a bold blanket statement everyone glossed over and I needed to get more info.

 

[G00fyDad]

Never said you lied I said I didn't believe you because something is not a lie if you believe it.

Whatever. I'm going to bed for the night. I can't even continue this silliness. Have a good night.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Whatever. I'm going to bed for the night. I can't even continue this silliness. Have a good night.

Have a good evening and thank you for your clarification and indulging me.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Your statement implied it with the whole "I've been the last 15 years and never awaited in a 45 minute" line thing.

I do get that, and if that was the only thing I said in that entire thing I would kind of get the point. But in all fairness, after I made that claim, I went into details in the following paragraph. I did state that I had to do a lot of planning to achieve that end and that I realized it's not something that everybody is willing to do.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

I do get that, and if that was the only thing I said in that entire thing I would kind of get the point. But in all fairness, after I made that claim, I went into details in the following paragraph. I did state that I had to do a lot of planning to achieve that end and that I realized it's not something that everybody is willing to do.

Again thank you for indulging me and clarifying. I appreciate your time and effort. I apologize if I was curt.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Again thank you for indulging me and clarifying. I appreciate your time and effort. I apologize if I was curt.

I never thought you were curt. And it really is fine, I'm not the sort to get easily insulted over the internet.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

I do get that, and if that was the only thing I said in that entire thing I would kind of get the point. But in all fairness, after I made that claim, I went into details in the following paragraph. I did state that I had to do a lot of planning to achieve that end and that I realized it's not something that everybody is willing to do.

Sometimes tone does comes off not the way you intended when writing on an internet forum. I meant no disrespect but to simply have my confusion answered.

 

[hopemax]

Because they are claiming they never have. at some point you are going to wait in a hour or so line. its math. to say you dont at all is false. if you do it tell me how? details? do you use a fastpass? what time of day? what ride? what were the crowd levels that day? what time of year did you go? Just saying you can go anytime and go on any ride and never wait 45 is a general statement with many holes that don't add up.

The general strategy is do one of the big rides at rope drop, but maybe do the worst one at closing. Disney lies about the wait times so that CMs can go home at a reasonable hour, so if you enter the queue that late, your wait isn't that long even for the biggies because a bunch of people got too tired and had to call it a day. That's how we did Slinky Dog the first time. Being able to visit a park multiple times helps too. So if you didn't get FP, you can do Peter Pan first/ Mine Train last and then on another day do something else first/ Space Mountain last. SDMT we usually did as the last ride during party night to make the wait 15-20 minutes. You schedule your FP for a couple hours after opening, when the lines have built up. Like I said we only had 7 day FP booking window, so the FP were always the "2nd and 3rd choice options, not the good ones". Do those, have lunch, take a mid day break or just a leisurely trip on CoP, Country Bears, and be recharged to hit the rides hard again during the last hour. Also, people usually try to follow a certain flow, around the park without too much back tracking. So if most people head to Tomorrowland, then you start in Frontierland. If people head to Africa/Pandora, you go to Asia, so you are out of sync with the opening crowd. You end up hitting those random low points than peak points.

I can't say I never waited more than 45 minutes. But the only ride I know, for sure, was over is FOP. Which was okay because we waited 10 minutes or less for everything else. So one 75-90 minute FOP ride was okay. Wait all at once, instead of getting stuck in 30 - 45 minute lines elsewhere. But I've gone so many times since my parents have lived in FL for 16 years, it wasn't the same pressure to do everything. If one or two things didn't work out, skipping instead of waiting wasn't the big disappointment. If something got skipped, it would be prioritized next visit. The only really "every time" basically became HM, Spaceship Earth and Kilimanjaro Safaris.

You know that scene in Apollo 13 when Ken Mattingly (Gary Sinese) says the key is turning things on in the right order? Same sort of principle, do things out of sequence and it blows the meter.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The general strategy is do one of the big rides at rope drop, but maybe do the worst one at closing. Disney lies about the wait times so that CMs can go home at a reasonable hour, so if you enter the queue that late, your wait isn't that long even for the biggies because a bunch of people got too tired and had to call it a day. That's how we did Slinky Dog the first time. Being able to visit a park multiple times helps too. So if you didn't get FP, you can do Peter Pan first/ Mine Train last and then on another day do something else first/ Space Mountain last. SDMT we usually did as the last ride during party night to make the wait 15-20 minutes. You schedule your FP for a couple hours after opening, when the lines have built up. Like I said we only had 7 day FP booking window, so the FP were always the "2nd and 3rd choice options, not the good ones". Do those, have lunch, take a mid day break or just a leisurely trip on CoP, Country Bears, and be recharged to hit the rides hard again during the last hour. Also, people usually try to follow a certain flow, around the park without too much back tracking. So if most people head to Tomorrowland, then you start in Frontierland. If people head to Africa/Pandora, you go to Asia, so you are out of sync with the opening crowd. You end up hitting those random low points than peak points.

I can't say I never waited more than 45 minutes. But the only ride I know, for sure, was over is FOP. Which was okay because we waited 10 minutes or less for everything else. So one 75-90 minute FOP ride was okay. Wait all at once, instead of getting stuck in 30 - 45 minute lines elsewhere. But I've gone so many times since my parents have lived in FL for 16 years, it wasn't the same pressure to do everything. If one or two things didn't work out, skipping instead of waiting wasn't the big disappointment. If something got skipped, it would be prioritized next visit. The only really "every time" basically became HM, Spaceship Earth and Kilimanjaro Safaris.

You know that scene in Apollo 13 when Ken Mattingly (Gary Sinese) says the key is turning things on in the right order? Same sort of principle, do things out of sequence and it blows the meter.

Yup, yup, yup. We have a very specific way we do the parks to make sure we don't miss anything we aren't okay missing.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

The general strategy is do one of the big rides at rope drop, but maybe do the worst one at closing. Disney lies about the wait times so that CMs can go home at a reasonable hour, so if you enter the queue that late, your wait isn't that long even for the biggies because a bunch of people got too tired and had to call it a day. That's how we did Slinky Dog the first time. Being able to visit a park multiple times helps too. So if you didn't get FP, you can do Peter Pan first/ Mine Train last and then on another day do something else first/ Space Mountain last. SDMT we usually did as the last ride during party night to make the wait 15-20 minutes. You schedule your FP for a couple hours after opening, when the lines have built up. Like I said we only had 7 day FP booking window, so the FP were always the "2nd and 3rd choice options, not the good ones". Do those, have lunch, take a mid day break or just a leisurely trip on CoP, Country Bears, and be recharged to hit the rides hard again during the last hour. Also, people usually try to follow a certain flow, around the park without too much back tracking. So if most people head to Tomorrowland, then you start in Frontierland. If people head to Africa/Pandora, you go to Asia, so you are out of sync with the opening crowd. You end up hitting those random low points than peak points.

I can't say I never waited more than 45 minutes. But the only ride I know, for sure, was over is FOP. Which was okay because we waited 10 minutes or less for everything else. So one 75-90 minute FOP ride was okay. Wait all at once, instead of getting stuck in 30 - 45 minute lines elsewhere. But I've gone so many times since my parents have lived in FL for 16 years, it wasn't the same pressure to do everything. If one or two things didn't work out, skipping instead of waiting wasn't the big disappointment. If something got skipped, it would be prioritized next visit. The only really "every time" basically became HM, Spaceship Earth and Kilimanjaro Safaris.

You know that scene in Apollo 13 when Ken Mattingly (Gary Sinese) says the key is turning things on in the right order? Same sort of principle, do things out of sequence and it blows the meter.

Fair explanation. Thank You

 

[MrPromey]

Dollars are a type of credit that are somewhat clear

And if you're the one trying to issue the credit, the last thing you want is for things to be somewhat clear.

Just look at Chuck E Cheese who are king of the low-stakes confusopoly.

Nobody in their right mind would pay as much as most parents do for an eraser, a few jelly bracelets, a hand full of 10¢ candy that Party City sells à la carte, and a crappy plastic top that doesn't even spin if they were looking at dollar value but when you convert that cash to "credits" on a card your child will swipe which then converts to tickets in mostly random games of chance, which after an hour or two of dealing with, converts to standing in front of a prize counter regretting the life decisions that got you to that point, you walk out with $30-$40 of instant landfill and try to feel good about it, right?

Or maybe you lie to yourself and say it was really about the "experience". That's my strategy.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Winner winner chicken dinner! So FP+ was better than FP. We’ve established that. Will paid FP be better than FP+ is the real question.

my guess is all the people whining about FP+ will be begging for it in a year.

We have “established” no such thing.

and it doesn’t matter who “begs”…they won’t reverse a major decision…nor will they “de-monetize” something. Never happened…never will.

if they introduce a paid system…you have two choices.

 

[DisneyCane]

I still think waking up early a month in advance is better than running around like a headless chicken as soon as the parks open in order to gather paper FPs. But I realise it's a matter of personal preference, and neither side is going to convince the other.

The biggest issue with paper FP was that the distribution for each attraction was at that attraction. If each distribution spot had allowed you to choose any FP attraction it would have been easier. Implementing the same system via the app (which didn't exist when FP was first implemented since phone apps didn't exist yet) would probably be the best of both worlds. I guess that's pretty much what standby pass is in Paris.

 

[Waters Back Side]

Those not staying on property were only able to make FPs 30 days out...not 30 days plus the length of their trip. So, at 30 days, they could only make FP for the first day of their trip. Then the next day, they could reserve FPs for their trip's 2nd day.

This is interesting. If the fact is that HALF of WDW guests stay off site, then if you cut the free FP option for all off site guests that would cut the avavailabity of FP in half hence allowing ALL resort guests to get them free (2 or 3) and greatly improving the standby waits. Win - Win.

 

[DisneyCane]

Dollars are a type of credit that are somewhat clear

And if you're the one trying to issue the credit, the last thing you want is for things to be somewhat clear.

Just look at Chuck E Cheese who are king of the low-stakes confusopoly.

Nobody in their right mind would pay as much as most parents do for an eraser, a few jelly bracelets, a hand full of 10¢ candy that Party City sells à la carte, and a crappy plastic top that doesn't even spin if they were looking at dollar value but when you convert that cash to "credits" on a card your child will swipe which then converts to tickets in mostly random games of chance, which after an hour or two of dealing with, converts to standing in front of a prize counter regretting the life decisions that got you to that point, you walk out with $30-$40 of instant landfill and try to feel good about it, right?

Or maybe you lie to yourself and say it was really about the "experience". That's my strategy.

A better example is a casino. You turn your cash into chips because phychologically you are losing casino chips and not money. People would lose a lot less at a blackjack table if you saw a $10 or $20 bill get swiped away every time you busted or the dealer got blackjack.

 

[MrPromey]

A better example is a casino. You turn your cash into chips because phytologically you are losing casino chips and not money. People would lose a lot less at a blackjack table if you saw a $10 or $20 bill get swiped away every time you busted or the dealer got blackjack.

Yeah, that would be the grownup, higher-stakes version of pretty much the same thing...

At least in casinos, the booze on offer is better and it's "free".

Yeah, I know why that is