FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Jeff4272]

Or… there is more than the two possibilities he is considering and willing to consider.

crazy talk isn’t it?

once can like the idea of digital FP… or even advance reservations… without “bring back FP+ its awesome!!”

Bet you anything you will be the first begging for FP+ to return. Have fun standing in 2-3 hour lines or paying $100 per day for 3 FP.

little hint for you. You used to get FP for free. Now you won’t. You used to wait 2-3 hours w FP+. You’ll still wait 2-3 hours with paid FP.

 

[G00fyDad]

Bet you anything you will be the first begging for FP+ to return. Have fun standing in 2-3 hour lines or paying $100 per day for 3 FP.

little hint for you. You used to get FP for free. Now you won’t. You used to wait 2-3 hours w FP+. You’ll still wait 2-3 hours with paid FP.

How do you know?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You don’t have to be tech savvy to order expensive food, pay admissions, buy merch or stay at a deluxe resort. If they changed things much more, you will.

But I think this is a generational thing…

who’s left that aren’t pretty tech savvy?

boomers are booming in their 70’s now…don’t think trying to retain accepting checks is “smart strategic strategy”

 

[KrzyKtty]

Bet you anything you will be the first begging for FP+ to return. Have fun standing in 2-3 hour lines or paying $100 per day for 3 FP.

little hint for you. You used to get FP for free. Now you won’t. You used to wait 2-3 hours w FP+. You’ll still wait 2-3 hours with paid FP.

Ok, I have been to WDW many times over the last 3 decades, and DL just 1.5years ago (2019 between XMAS and New Years). Not once in my adult memory (last 15 years) have I waited in any WDW line for more than 45-50 minutes, and we did FOP without FP within 2 weeks of it opening.

Yes, every time I go I take the time to formulate a detailed touring plan, but it has worked every time. I know not everyone wants to do military level planning for their vacation, and that is fine. However, the tradeoff is waiting in line for 2-3 hours. It really isn't required though, with or without fastpasses. You just have to be smart about how you do it. When we went to DL during the busiest week of the year, we rode every major ride within 30 minutes or less multiple times. Outside of FOP, wich was about 45-50 minutes, we haven't waited for a ride without a FP for more than 45 minutes ever. The trade off is that I have to plan out a detailed plan of what rides we will ride when, and stick to it. However, I don't mind that planning (type A analyst). I do all the planning with my family's inputs. They get the joy of not waiting and no planning, and I get to stay in control.

Like I said, not everyone wants to do that. However, they realize there is an opportunity cost. Gone are the days when you can stroll into that park the day of with no planning, do whatever whenever, and not care. If that is how you want to play it, fine. However, there are more people on the planet now than 50 years ago. Gone are the days when crowd control at the parks was not an issue. Lots of people, with no planning, equals long lines.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

She said she loves me

They always say that

You really can't fathom anything other than what Disney has already fed you...

Well there’s a lot of that going around on this thread. Like the lot of people in line to get Mickey’s autograph on the fantasy

Seriously. What has this world come to when people believe their own actual experience instead of what someone else tells them on the internet.

It depends on what kinds jammies they wear to bed

 

[Jrb1979]

Bet you anything you will be the first begging for FP+ to return. Have fun standing in 2-3 hour lines or paying $100 per day for 3 FP.

little hint for you. You used to get FP for free. Now you won’t. You used to wait 2-3 hours w FP+. You’ll still wait 2-3 hours with paid FP.

Not if you pay for FP. You will be able to avoid the 2-3 hour wait.

 

[Father Robinson]

…First day on the “internet”?

Why would you think that? My point is some of us are hoping for some kind of answer to this burning idea of what will happen with FP or whatever they implement. So to try to read literally 20 pages a day only to get to the end and realize you are right where you started is a little frustrating.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just google it. Maybe it was Animal kingdom. Fact is, wdw is over 2x Manhattan. I don’t want to argue over facts. That’s a different post

Wdw is roughly 25,000 acres/40 square miles… the size of Manhattan island
Luckily…Harlem isn’t at the north end

Why would you think that? My point is some of us are hoping for some kind of answer to this burning idea of what will happen with FP or whatever they implement. So to try to read literally 20 pages a day only to get to the end and realize you are right where you started is a little frustrating.

I was just yanking your chain

in seriousness…this is all conjecture. But it is “educated” conjecture based on experience, nuggets and reading the patterns.

nobody here has hard info on this big of a financial decision.

but…they can’t let this sit for long…it will be known pretty soon.

 

[DisneyCane]

Winner winner chicken dinner! So FP+ was better than FP. We’ve established that. Will paid FP be better than FP+ is the real question.

my guess is all the people whining about FP+ will be begging for it in a year.

For those willing to pay, paid FP will be better than FP+. Those not willing to pay (raises hand) will likely be deciding that WDW doesn't have enough value to continue renewing APs and may never go again. I'm assuming that they will not implement this system in a way that makes standby somewhat tolerable for the headliners. I don't expect short waits but do expect a line that moves at a somewhat steady pace for those not willing to pay $10+ a pop.

 

[matt9112]

We do.

Want some cookies? Lol thats how this feels.

 

[hopemax]

You do know that half of WDW visitors are off-site, which meant they had to get up early EVERY DAY to make their 30 day FP+? I'm in the Mountain time zone, so that would mean waking up at 5AM and for west coasters it meant waking up at 4AM. You wake up that early, you fight with the MDE website for a half an hour (plus however long you have to refresh for a Pandora attraction and SDMT) then what? It's too late to really fall back to sleep before other people and animals in house start moving around to get ready for work or school. Then you have to go to work, and since you had to get up a couple hours earlier than normal, you're off your game so work is worse for however many days you have to do this, and your family doesn't appreciate what you're doing and only annoyed that you are the cranky version of yourself.

Yeah, that's way better then waking up early which I would have done anyway, because I'M ON VACATION and grabbing times in the process of doing vacation things.

Stop assuming the way you were privileged to do it is the way everybody did it.

Sure. I agree. I’d much rather wake up hours earlier and RUN to get maybe a FP for 6 hours later EVERY day I was there other than taking 10 minutes out of my day 60 days in advance to get 3 rides guaranteed every day. Makes a ton of sense.

 

[LittleBuford]

You do know that half of WDW visitors are off-site, which meant they had to get up early EVERY DAY to make their 30 day FP+?

Can you clarify what you mean? Why would you need to get up early more than once to make all your FP+ reservations for an upcoming trip?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Can you clarify what you mean? Why would you need to get up early more than once to make all your FP+ reservations for an upcoming trip?

Those not staying on property were only able to make FPs 30 days out...not 30 days plus the length of their trip. So, at 30 days, they could only make FP for the first day of their trip. Then the next day, they could reserve FPs for their trip's 2nd day.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Can you clarify what you mean? Why would you need to get up early more than once to make all your FP+ reservations for an upcoming trip?

I might be wrong because I didn't actually stay off site, but I do not believe that they're 30-day window opened up for their entire trip. So for example if they were taking a 10-day trip, then they would have to wait each day for that day to open up 30 days out. So you would have to wake up early 10 days in a row for all 10 days of your trip.

 

[hopemax]

Those not staying on property were only able to make FPs 30 days out...not 30 days plus the length of their trip. So, at 30 days, they could only make FP for the first day of their trip. Then the next day, they could reserve FPs for their trip's 2nd day.

That.

The only way to have made them for all your days at the same time would be to wait for the FINAL day of your vacation to open. But then you've lost the availability advantage because other people would do it daily, and snatch spots.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Ok, I have been to WDW many times over the last 3 decades, and DL just 1.5years ago (2019 between XMAS and New Years). Not once in my adult memory (last 15 years) have I waited in any WDW line for more than 45-50 minutes, and we did FOP without FP within 2 weeks of it opening.

Yes, every time I go I take the time to formulate a detailed touring plan, but it has worked every time. I know not everyone wants to do military level planning for their vacation, and that is fine. However, the tradeoff is waiting in line for 2-3 hours. It really isn't required though, with or without fastpasses. You just have to be smart about how you do it. When we went to DL during the busiest week of the year, we rode every major ride within 30 minutes or less multiple times. Outside of FOP, wich was about 45-50 minutes, we haven't waited for a ride without a FP for more than 45 minutes ever. The trade off is that I have to plan out a detailed plan of what rides we will ride when, and stick to it. However, I don't mind that planning (type A analyst). I do all the planning with my family's inputs. They get the joy of not waiting and no planning, and I get to stay in control.

Like I said, not everyone wants to do that. However, they realize there is an opportunity cost. Gone are the days when you can stroll into that park the day of with no planning, do whatever whenever, and not care. If that is how you want to play it, fine. However, there are more people on the planet now than 50 years ago. Gone are the days when crowd control at the parks was not an issue. Lots of people, with no planning, equals long lines.

I call bs. You need to give more details of your "planning" to back up this claim you never waited in a line for over a hour.

 

[LittleBuford]

Those not staying on property were only able to make FPs 30 days out...not 30 days plus the length of their trip. So, at 30 days, they could only make FP for the first day of their trip. Then the next day, they could reserve FPs for their trip's 2nd day.

I might be wrong because I didn't actually stay off site, but I do not believe that they're 30-day window opened up for their entire trip. So for example if they were taking a 10-day trip, then they would have to wait each day for that day to open up 30 days out. So you would have to wake up early 10 days in a row for all 10 days of your trip.

Thanks. I have actually gone through this procedure yet somehow forgot all about it until you reminded me. (This past year has taken a more general toll on my mental agility and memory.)

 

[G00fyDad]

I call bs. You need to give more details of your "planning" to back up this claim you never waited in a line for over a hour.

I've never waited more than 30 minutes. I refused to wait an hour when FP+ was available.

 

[LittleBuford]

That.

The only way to have made them for all your days at the same time would be to wait for the FINAL day of your vacation to open. But then you've lost the availability advantage because other people would do it daily, and snatch spots.

I still think waking up early a month in advance is better than running around like a headless chicken as soon as the parks open in order to gather paper FPs. But I realise it's a matter of personal preference, and neither side is going to convince the other.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Thanks. I have actually gone through this procedure yet somehow forgot all about it until you reminded me. (This past year has taken a more general toll on my mental agility and memory.)

Me too. Blah. It's annoying.