FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Missing20K]

I mean, nobody wants to pay extra money for things, but...

Why is virtually every other park allowed to do some sort of paid, front of the line pass, yet Disney is held to some kind of standard that it's just out of the question for them?

Business gonna business....

Because they are supposed to be in a class unto themselves and the premier hospitality company in the world. Not a Cedar Fair gouge fest.

 

[Crunchie9]

There are about 29 rides in the MK.

Let's just take into account the most popular 20 of them.

If there are 1,000 people an hour absorbed into show, but not any more, then they are in the lines for those 20 rides.

That's an extra 50 people per ride.

These rides have at the minimum and average of throughputting 1,000 people per hour. So, those extra 50 people are adding 3 minutes to each ride.

So even if one says that if shows were eating 3,000 people an hour, that's still adding less than 10 minutes per ride for lack of shows.

I think you need to weight this.

 

[dreday3]

Because they are supposed to be in a class unto themselves and the premier hospitality company in the world. Not a Cedar Fair gouge fest.

Times change, people change, seasons change...

When it's time to change you've got to rearrange, who you are and what you're gonna be.

 

[Missing20K]

It's the ride I'm most excited for! But I'm a sucker for any dark ride.

It is still a really fun ride and awesome themed area, just not sure I’d personally spend the extra dough.

 

[boufa]

I absolutely hate speculation articles.

Any time I see, likely, could, may, might, expected... I just move on. It's all a guess, and in this case, it isn't even an educated guess. They have had different fast pass systems at every park in the world up until now. Why are we so certain that they MAY copy another parks system here. Sure they could... but they are also just as likely not to.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

...if more people choose not to pay to play, I don’t think they’ll have the space.

Again, that's not even a possibility in the model they've created. If nobody is buying the FPs, the price falls until they start to.

Sorry if I have my doubts with a retail guy in charge over a captive audience once they’re in the gates.

Jeeze man they're not THAT short-sighted. They know that EACH DAY'S captive audience is also a TripAdvisor reviewer, the brother of two families with kids, a coworker of 20 families with kids, a future visitor four years from now, and a potential DVC buyer five years from now.

 

[Missing20K]

Times change, people change, seasons change...

When it's time change you've got to rearrange, who you are into what you want to be.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think you need to weight this.

I did when I excluded 30% of the rides.

 

[Markiewong]

So..... Paris visitors are paying for the rides (each), paying for food, paying for items, and paying for photos. Can someone tell me what the thought process is for making them pay to get into the park? They pay to get in to pay?

Nah thats the ticket books, and yes you did pay admission on top of the ticket book.

A "1 pass covers all" approach is much more palatable and easier to budget for for guests. The pay-per-ride system reeks of cheesy traveling carnivals...which I suspect reflects how Chapek feels about the parks.

Disneyland Paris used to have them when they offered a paid fastpass option next to the free fastpass (and they were included with suites and Disneyland Hotel club level rooms aswell). I guess Disney realised they can/try charge more. I see an unlimited option being offered if sales are too low. The prices for DPA are not fixed and fluctuate between 8 and 15 euro, so Disney will play around with those numbers aswell.

Now for the old setup, these used to be the package prices

Eenmalige = once
Onbeperkt = unlimited

The prices are low/high season.

I think for a better comparison to Disney World we should look at Universal Japan. A park which is extreme popular (it ranked 5th in 2019 behind Magic Kingdom, Disneyland and the two Tokyo parks). The park doesn't nearly have enough capacity and wait times tend to be between 120 and 200 minutes. And as a result they sell out on most days.

Prices are the minimum and maximum pricess.
3 attractions = 45/95 USD
4 attractions = 70/136 USD
7 attractions = 100/181 USD
13 attractions = 171/375 USD

Note that the first three options are pre-set packages, you can not pick the attractions yourself. Universal is smart and divided the big e-tickets through different packages of 4 and 7. If you want to do all the E-tickets you need the 13 set.

There is one more option which is called the royal pass, there are only 200 of them available per day and lets you use the express pass line unlimited times except for popular attraction which you can do once. It also includes reserved VIP seating at shows. But that option will set you back between the 245 and 370 USD.

So with a little bit of luck Chapek made a trip to Japan

 

[Javier Antonio Nisa Avila]

I think it is crazy. We're speaking about something that was free. FP system is not bad. However, I think this system should be improved. I think we could get our 3 FP+ and maybe we may get other 3 extra FP+ paying a fee per package.
However, 18$ per attraction is crazy. How much is one day in a Disney Park? Walt Disney world is different. There are 4 theme parks and everyone goes 1 week more or less. Nevertheless, Disneyland Paris is visited in 3 days. Additionally, there are less attractions. Please, be conscious. Mr. Disney wanted everyone to enjoy the parks and not only rich people. How can we inform Bob Chapeck? Walt Disney would disagree with this idea. Disney needs visitors and the situation is very complicated and it is not possible to obligue people to pay so much money.

 

[Crunchie9]

Not once you're publicly-traded.

Hopefully a combination of paid fastpasses and park ticket increases will get the crowds under control.

Kind of.

it all depends on what market you are in.

 

[Thinker of Things]

$15? That’s a bold move Cotton, let’s see if it works out for them .

Let us all not forget that WDW was already testing the waters with paid FP+ prior to COVID. It was a pilot program where guests staying in Club Level accommodations and 3-bdrm Grand Villas (ultimately those guests that had access to Signature Services during their stay) were able to purchase an additional 3 FP+ reservations for $50 for a minimum of 3 park days during their stay ($16.67 each ride with a paid FP+).

Its not far off to think/expect $15 per attraction “skip the line” access for those willing to pay it. It’s a convenience based offering. It wasn’t going to remain included in your park admission forever- especially when all the competition has been monetizing skip the line and reserved show seating for years now.

While I feel it’s a definite money-grab, no matter how much I grumble about it… from a business perspective it makes sense. There’s a fiduciary responsibility to increase earnings. To me, this move is a data(& $$$)-driven decision and isn’t just pulled out of the hat of magic tricks and shouldn’t be a surprise.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You guys know standby still exists, right?

The question is: will it work?

because the issue in all these grand schemes is that each option has to work for what it is…and that’s not a 3 hour standby that barely moves

it can’t be princes and paupers

That's not the model they set up.

The model is a relatively fixed standby-to-fastpass ratio, with a floating FastPass price to maintain that ratio.

Big ASSumption on your part

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not once you're publicly-traded.

Hopefully a combination of paid fastpasses and park ticket increases will get the crowds under control.

This is not to control crowds

can you kindly stop propagating that Saran Wrap veiled PR myth?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This is not to control crowds

can you kindly stop propagating that Saran Wrap veiled PR myth?

Disneyland AP restructuring is to control crowds.

 

[Crunchie9]

Customer Perceived Value (CPV) is the theory you are looking for.

“Perceived value is a customer's own perception of a product or service's merit or desirability to them, especially in comparison to a competitor's product. Perceived value is measured by the price the public is willing to pay for a good or service”

which is why it is extremely important to voice your displeasure with customer service via chat and phone and email.

The data is collected daily and will ABSOLUTELY effect their metrics.

 

[Javier Antonio Nisa Avila]

Nah thats the ticket books, and yes you did pay admission on top of the ticket book.

Disneyland Paris used to have them when they offered a paid fastpass option next to the free fastpass (and they were included with suites and Disneyland Hotel club level rooms aswell). I guess Disney realised they can/try charge more. I see an unlimited option being offered if sales are too low. The prices for DPA are not fixed and fluctuate between 8 and 15 euro, so Disney will play around with those numbers aswell.

Now for the old setup, these used to be the package prices

Eenmalige = once
Onbeperkt = unlimited

The prices are low/high season.
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I think for a better comparison to Disney World we should look at Universal Japan. A park which is extreme popular (it ranked 5th in 2019 behind Magic Kingdom, Disneyland and the two Tokyo parks). The park doesn't nearly have enough capacity and wait times tend to be between 120 and 200 minutes. And as a result they sell out on most days.

Prices are the minimum and maximum pricess.
3 attractions = 45/95 USD
4 attractions = 70/136 USD
7 attractions = 100/181 USD
13 attractions = 171/375 USD

Note that the first three options are pre-set packages, you can not pick the attractions yourself. Universal is smart and divided the big e-tickets through different packages of 4 and 7. If you want to do all the E-tickets you need the 13 set.

There is one more option which is called the royal pass, there are only 200 of them available per day and lets you use the express pass line unlimited times except for popular attraction which you can do once. It also includes reserved VIP seating at shows. But that option will set you back between the 245 and 370 USD.

So with a little bit of luck Chapek made a trip to Japan

But I don't understand why we have to pay for something that was free before COVID -19. If Disney needs more money, they could improve merchandising. There are many attractive whose merchandising is ridiculous. But, paying for FP? I think it is a crazy solution.

 

[drizgirl]

Nobody has to do it. It's there as a choice - wait in line for "free" or pay extra, skip the line.

I mean, our first night we plan to go to Epcot - if Rat's line is ridiculous and I can buy us each front of the line for $15 each....yeah, we'll do it. I'm not saying I'm asking for paid fast pass, but I am being honest that there are times I would probably buy into it.

I'm part of the problem!

Based on these numbers Rat won’t be $15.

 

[dreday3]

Based on these numbers Rat won’t be $15.

I better pack a few credit cards...

 

[drizgirl]

Wondering to myself- would you have preferred FP+ over having MORE rides and things to do at the parks (to disperse the crowds) instead?
I think I’m choosing more rides…

Well right now it appears we are getting C) None of the above.