FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

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Weather_Lady

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$1000 for a family of 4 for a week would be a good value.

Let's do the math:

$1000 / 4 = $250 per person

$250 / 7 = $35 per person per day

Now let's look at what this would cost you at Universal for next week since, unlike Universal, Disney almost certainly is not going to include this in the price of a Deluxe Resort stay.

$255.59 (with tax) X 4 X 7 = $7156.52

The question is: Would you consider $7156.52 to be a good value?

(And that's the price for only 1 park per day.)

Remember, what's being offered at DLP costs about $10-$20 per person per attraction. And that's not the "unlimited front line access" you mention in your post. That simply let's you get an express comeback time (i.e. a FastPass return time) for potentially hours from now. Your family of 4 could drop hundreds of dollars each day on nothing more than FastPass return times, something that Disney used to include in the price of admission (i.e. something that used to be "free").

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The Universal cost for express pass is high as a ticket add-on, but that's not the only (or the smartest) way to do it. In one month my family of 4 will be staying at Hard Rock for $235/night (APH rate) and will get unlimited express pass for our length of stay... plus the premier hotel room for a fraction of the cost of a Disney deluxe... plus 2-park seasonal annual passes that cost $305 per person and are good for 15 months from first use, as compared with WDW tickets that were over $500 per person for 5 days...

I know you used the figures you did because you were trying to make the best possible apples-to-apples comparison, but I'm not sure it can be done given the interplay between the various paid components of a vacation and the myriad ways things can be packaged. Universal is simply a banana. 😉
 
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ParentsOf4

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The Universal cost for express pass is high as a ticket add-on, but that's not the only (or the smartest) way to do it. In one month my family of 4 will be staying at Hard Rock for $235/night and will get unlimited express pass for our length of stay... plus the premier hotel room for a fraction of the cost of a Disney deluxe... plus 2-park seasonal annual passes that cost $305 per person and are good for 15 months from first use, as compared with WDW tickets that were over $500 per person for 5 days...

I know you used the figures you did because you were trying to make the best possible apples-to-apples comparison, but I'm not sure it can be done. Universal is simply a banana. 😉
Let's put it this way.

WDW is never going to be able to offer what Universal offers: unlimited Express Pass for all Deluxe Resort guests.

Universal has 2400 Deluxe Resort rooms. WDW has (depending on lockoffs) over 10,000 Deluxe rooms.

The previous poster had an entirely unrealistic expectation the Disney might offer a family of 4 unlimited FastPasses for a week for $1000.

Disney is not going to offer (as you call it) "the smartest way to do it". That's the point.

The point is, what Disney will offer could cost thousands (plural) of dollars for a week and be considerably less than unlimited FastPass.

The point is, what the previous poster thought might cost $1000 might actually cost many times that, and still fall far short of that poster's unlimited express access expectations.

I agree, the smart way to do it at Universal is to stay onsite. Disney is never going to allow you to do it the "smart" way at WDW.

Based on what we've heard so far, Disney is considering implementing something somewhat similar to the original FastPass (which was "free"), but then charge you for it.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Let's put it this way.

WDW is never going to be able to offer what Universal offers: unlimited Express Pass for all Deluxe Resort guests.

Universal has 2400 Deluxe Resort rooms. WDW has (depending on lockoffs) over 10,000 Deluxe rooms.

The previous poster had an entirely unrealistic expectation the Disney might offer a family of 4 unlimited FastPasses for a week for $1000.

Disney is not going to offer (as you call it) "the smartest way to do it". That's the point.

The point is, what Disney will offer could cost thousands (plural) of dollars for a week and be considerably less than unlimited FastPass.

The point is, what the previous poster might have thought would cost $1000 would cost many times that, and still fall far short of that poster's unlimited express access expectations.

I agree, the smart way to do it at Universal is to stay onsite. Disney is never going to allow you to do it the "smart" way at WDW.
Nope, they won't. Those in charge think we're stupid and can't do simple math.
 

flynnibus

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Disney did do this.

No - what you are referring to is FPs becoming available because people changed plans.

That is not releasing availability throughout the day - to do so means to hold back capacity, and release blocks of availability so that the supply is not depleted all up front and have to wait until individuals release their reservation.
 

Parker in NYC

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Nope, they won't. Those in charge think we're stupid and can't do simple math.
But that simple math hasn’t stopped these bogus holiday after hours from selling out. And then selling out…again. Disney could charge deluxe guests anything they want when it comes to paid FP. $200 per person per day for 3 passes. Hey, stay club level and save $100! Now, only $100 for 3 passes!

When it costs $1000 to stay in an IKEA bedroom showroom, money isn’t really worth anything anymore.
 

ImperfectPixie

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But that simple math hasn’t stopped these bogus holiday after hours from selling out. And then selling out…again. Disney could charge deluxe guests anything they want when it comes to paid FP. $200 per person per day for 3 passes. Hey, stay club level and save $100! Now, only $100 for 3 passes!

When it costs $1000 to stay in an IKEA bedroom showroom, money isn’t really worth anything anymore.
That's how you can tell new money from old money. New money is all about "in-your-face" spending that doesn't get anything of value, but that comes with perceived status.

ETA: This is why so many people who make it big at a young age quickly go broke.
 

LittleBuford

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No - what you are referring to is FPs becoming available because people changed plans.

That is not releasing availability throughout the day - to do so means to hold back capacity, and release blocks of availability so that the supply is not depleted all up front and have to wait until individuals release their reservation.
You’re mistaken. New FPs were released throughout the day, in some cases at known times. This was discussed upthread a few days back:

Also, since it seems FP+ is dead, I’ll reveal something about it that AFAIK wasn’t public knowledge.

Same Day FP drops:

TDO used to release same-day FP+ inventory at scheduled times throughout the day for many / most popular attractions in all parks except MK. e.g. Soarin’ used to drop same day FP+ at 1:30pm and 3:30pm.

I’m not really sure why they never did it for any MK attractions, but they did indeed do it for the most popular attractions in the other 3 parks.
 

Parker in NYC

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That's how you can tell new money from old money. New money is all about "in-your-face" spending that doesn't get anything of value.
I think there’s a new category that I like to call “Apple Pay” money. Let me scan a barcode and just take my money. There’s no AC out here and what’s another $100 if it means my family can get in out of the heat and ride Peter Pan’s Flight.
 

hopemax

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Pay per ride is disastrous for WDW with big families who go for more then a few nights.
The problem is the world and the World has decided that "having a big family" isn't worth giving breaks. Average guest spending per day is apparently the primary metric that matters. And as often demonstrated around here... if you get left out "You should have planned better." Your multiplier being 5 and someone else's being only 3, 2, or especially in the case of one, "sounds like a personal problem." [this is not my stance, this is the general reaction to similar things]

"You should have stayed onsite." (even if you own a home in central Florida)
"You should have paid for a ticket." (even if you traded your labor for the admission benefits)
"You should have reserved in advance" (even though you didn't have vacation approval from your job)

"You should have done it MY way," as if it's the one true way. [This is the way?]

If that's the way things are, do I now get to say, DH & my way was to consider the lifestyle we wanted and if that lifestyle was supportable if we had kids? So we didn't. My parents' way to afford Disney was for my Mom to work there [And, if you read my post in the other thread, means that in some backwards way, even though she's gone, whenever I go, she still gets "paid" which is why I'm still here. When my Dad is unable or gone, then I am gone, and I know my WDW visits are on borrowed time, so I'm riding the waves. I thought April 2015 was that moment. I thought I was mourning the loss of two things. But Disney surprised even us by letting it continue. Apparently, some bits of Disney employment has its privileges when so much does not.]

For the record, that is NOT what I'm telling you should have done. It's a RIDICULOUS proposition, but so are the other hoops others expect people to do while justifying why they deserve "20 minutes or less" status over waiting in lines like everyone else. And depending on where you read, like that fun social media post from before, some will say that since they have kids and I don't, they deserve it even more.

I've been doing this online Disney forum thing since 1996. And if there's one thing I've seen, is eventually Disney always gets *you* where it hurts. Their version of the "house always wins." For many, the eventual moment is when their kids or grandkids "age out." That's when the break hurts the least. But the beast always comes, and apparently the beast is very hungry after 15 months of limited fresh meat. I am truly sorry, that for you and all the others facing what comes next, that the beast will arrive before you and your kids are really ready for it.

For now there is. The question right this minute is how much feeling like an ATM are guests willing to stand? I don't think that limit is nearly as high as the execs think it is.

Disney's movie re-release schedule, and vault strategy, was predicated on the fact that their key demo turns over every 7 years. New humans provide a lot of cover when it comes to what people are willing to do. New parents don't know what things used to be like. They were kids when they came before. They didn't know. If it's ridiculous for them, it must have been ridiculous for their parents and their grandparents. And others will jump in to say how their family couldn't go before, so it absolutely was the same level of ridiculousness. It takes something really big and external to force the situation. There have been wobbles. 9/11, financial crisis. Disney didn't learn anything. They just converted deluxe rooms to DVC, and reduced capacity within the parks by closing attractions or replacing high capacity rides with headliners with crappy OHRC. Like nature in Jurassic Park...apparently "Disney finds a way."

I still think there will be a moment it all comes crashing down. It's just not going to be after a global pandemic, with all this pent up demand and upper middle class people who, all things considered, saw considerable growth in their savings and didn't experience job insecurity. I'm mean, I've never had so much money in our bank accounts. And when that 7 year clock resets, then it's as the cool kids say, "That's the way it is. Pay it or don't go."

Again, not me... I'm just quoting the general response.
 

aaronml

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Just to throw fuel onto the already giant pile of burning tires here.

The new MDE 6.20 update removed almost all references to FP. It can always be added back, but every public facing and even most of the code for it in the app is gone.

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EDIT: Seems like there is still code to display it in "My Plans" but only just that.
This is significant. FP / MaxPass functionality / code also appears to have been removed from the DLR app.

Make no mistake, FastPass+, FASTPASS, and MaxPass are all dead. This is the digital equivalent of taking down FP signage.
 
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DisneyCane

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But that simple math hasn’t stopped these bogus holiday after hours from selling out. And then selling out…again. Disney could charge deluxe guests anything they want when it comes to paid FP. $200 per person per day for 3 passes. Hey, stay club level and save $100! Now, only $100 for 3 passes!

When it costs $1000 to stay in an IKEA bedroom showroom, money isn’t really worth anything anymore.
A long time ago MVMCP was a great value. It was a reasonable cost, you got little perks like photos and pins and the longest line for anything was 20 minutes. I can't believe that people pay for what it has turned into. Almost no perks (I think they still give out cookies/hot chocolate but I'm not sure) and high crowds for close to the normal daily admission price.
 

Waters Back Side

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This is significant. FP / MaxPass functionality / code also appears to have been removed from the DLR app.

Make no mistake, FastPass+, FASTPASS, and MaxPass are all dead. This is the digital equivalent of taking down FP signage.

I have 6.20. I search FP and I still see an option to make selections. Clicking on it does nothing, but the point is the reference to FP is still there
 

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Waters Back Side

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The problem is the world and the World has decided that "having a big family" isn't worth giving breaks. Average guest spending per day is apparently the primary metric that matters. And as often demonstrated around here... if you get left out "You should have planned better." Your multiplier being 5 and someone else's being only 3, 2, or especially in the case of one, "sounds like a personal problem." [this is not my stance, this is the general reaction to similar things]

To an extent this is true but not to the extreme that some make it out to be. Why build Value resorts instead of Just Deluxe and Mods. Why offer a summer discount to residents? Why offer ticket packages for later in the year at a reduced rate?

Of course Disney will always look to capitalize on increasing revenue and turning a profit. But they need guests to do so.

MY thoughts of $1000 for my family (and its a family of 5 by the way not 4, I have two 11 year olds, a 14 year and me and my wife) is that while it is good value price wise in comparison to the per ride suggestions is that is is also the only option ill accept. I am not capable of paying per ride or paying thousands dollars on rides. Even if I wanted to. So the solution for me is not going to WDW any longer.
 

matt9112

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A long time ago MVMCP was a great value. It was a reasonable cost, you got little perks like photos and pins and the longest line for anything was 20 minutes. I can't believe that people pay for what it has turned into. Almost no perks (I think they still give out cookies/hot chocolate but I'm not sure) and high crowds for close to the normal daily admission price.

I remember E nights as a child.
 

nickys

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No - what you are referring to is FPs becoming available because people changed plans.

That is not releasing availability throughout the day - to do so means to hold back capacity, and release blocks of availability so that the supply is not depleted all up front and have to wait until individuals release their reservation.
There were drops of FPs released at 3 of the 4 parks at 2 or 3 set times through the day. Not necessarily all rides were included but enough to make searching at those times worthwhile. The Touring Plans forum had a pinned post documenting these.
 
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