FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Parker in NYC]

FTFY

I meant that! My irony didn't translate. Bah.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Supply and Demand ... still alive and well.

You know that does lead to an interesting hypothetical: If the parks are meeting demand, but just really busy, is there really such a thing as overcrowding? I mean I think it's miserable and I'm pretty tired of paying money to wait in long lines for the same attractions over and over again but .... people still do it. Maybe there really isn't any problem to be solved here. Let the market figure it out.

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[flynnibus]

You know that does lead to an interesting hypothetical: If the parks are meeting demand, but just really busy, is there really such a thing as overcrowding?

You are equating two different things and drawing conclusions from that. Not how it works.

 

[WannaGoNow]

Yeah but look what he says right there in the article - "If you are a glutton and try everything". What percentage of things, particularly e-tickets, is it possible to do in one day at the current $110-$125 price point?

And if you only get six "experiences" in, which is Disney's metric for a successful day, how much do they rebate that admission?

But you theoretically could do all the things - look at the Parkeology Challenge for people who, pre-covid, rode all the rides in all four parks in one day - and there are more e-tickets in Magic Kingdom today than there were on opening day at Disneyland (there were two rides that later became long-running e-tickets, Jungle Cruise and Submarine Voyage). You get far more bang for your buck now.

And again, what is the solution to overcrowded parks if Disney can’t raise prices? Selling limited numbers of admissions? Blocking out guests who don’t stay on property? Asking guests to reserve parks years in advance?

The problem is the demand. Decreasing the demand is not the negative for Disney some seem to think it is. It’s not great for people who are priced out, very true. But if demand falls below the metric Disney sets for success, as people here seem to think it well, then perks and discounts will return.

Funny how every other finite capacity thing manages that. Hotels, events, etc.

Start a thread on Disney closing their gates every day after they reach a limited number of guests - like, say, 35% of New Year’s Eve capacity in order to prevent long lines - and see how that flies! People are upset about having to make park reservations and not being able to hop until after 2 PM as it is

 

[flynnibus]

Start a thread on Disney closing their gates every day after they reach a limited number of guests - like, say, 35% of New Year’s Eve capacity in order to prevent long lines - and see how that flies! People are upset about having to make park reservations and not being able to hop until after 2 PM as it is

You mean like how Disney runs out of hotel spaces now?

People would adapt.... just like they do now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You are equating two different things and drawing conclusions from that. Not how it works.

It’s not how it works…anywhere else.

wdw has become some kind of whacko paradox model.

financial masochists…you “make it hurt” and they love you for it/ask for more.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And again, what is the solution to overcrowded parks if Disney can’t raise prices?

Properly expanding the parks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Properly expanding the parks.

They’ve been building nonstop since 2010
And at the end: what capacity will be increased?

I know…can of worms there

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They’ve been building nonstop since 2010
And at the end: what capacity will be increased?

I know…can of worms there

Expanding not building haha.

 

[MJM]

Agenda aside— a claim that 50% of WDW guests are annual repeat visitors is flatly absurd. Based on attendance, it would mean that almost 10% of Americans go to WDW… not just once or twice, but every single year.

Outside of online forums, I’ve never met anyone who goes to WDW every year. (Personally, I average 3 times per decade… and that’s more than most people I know).
I doubt 10% of Americans could even afford to take trips to WDW every year.

The people who go every single year to WDW, booking a resort or DVC, are a small minority of the 50+ million annual visitors.

We go every summer and have for the last decade (minus 2020). Always stay on property. I know several families in my town that do the same thing

 

[WannaGoNow]

You mean like how Disney runs out of hotel spaces now?

People would adapt.... just like they do now.

You mean like how Disney runs out of hotel spaces now, so guests stay at neighboring hotels or AirBnB or drive in from nearby towns or make it a day trip? Once a gate is closed, there is no substitute like for like. Universal and SeaWorld do not provide the exact same Disney experience. But one hotel room is pretty much like another hotel room, give or take a few perks and conveniences.

But go ahead, start that thread. See how the idea flies.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Expanding not building haha.

Which they specifically did not do under Iger except springs and avatar

 

[Tom P.]

Maybe $1000 isn't good enough on top of the meager hourly wage and pitiful benefits.

Disney is offering the $1,000 bonus in addition to a $16 per hour wage for housekeeping and a $18 per hour wage for line cooks. Given that the nationwide fight has been for $15 per hour, I think it's a stretch to call what they are offering "meager."

 

[flynnibus]

You mean like how Disney runs out of hotel spaces now, so guests stay at neighboring hotels or AirBnB or drive in from nearby towns or make it a day trip? Once a gate is closed, there is no substitute like for like.

You really think the people who are trying to book Mods and Deluxes opt to stay offsite or in neighboring towns when there is no availability? Or do many just adjust their plans when they are going?

Think center mass - not special cases.

Yes there will be cases where there would be no park capacity - but the majority then go 'hrm, well maybe we try another time'. Just like people who try to goto a Steelers Football game and find it sold out, try a different time, not go "well, how about a Cleveland game instead?"

 

[el_super]

You are equating two different things and drawing conclusions from that. Not how it works.

I do mean in the grand context of Fastpass and Capacity Management. Disney is worried about long term growth and providing a "better guest experience" so they want to change it ... but do they need to? Is there actually a problem?

The parks were meeting demand (2019) and they were rarely turning people away.
The guest keep complaining it's too crowded, but they keep going.
They complain it is too expensive, but they keep going.

A lot of folks here seem more angry with the change than the status quo .... so ... is there really a problem with keeping things the same? What's the risk?

 

[aliceismad]

Disney is offering the $1,000 bonus in addition to a $16 per hour wage for housekeeping and a $18 per hour wage for line cooks. Given that the nationwide fight has been for $15 per hour, I think it's a stretch to call what they are offering "meager."

$16 an hour (if you get full-time hours) is $33,280 per year. That's only a living wage in Orlando if you are single or if your spouse/SO works as well (and you don't have kids). At least that's according to MIT. https://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/36740

Also $1,000 bonus is not unusual in any metro area of the country right now.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I do mean in the grand context of Fastpass and Capacity Management. Disney is worried about long term growth and providing a "better guest experience" so they want to change it ... but do they need to? Is there actually a problem?

The parks were meeting demand (2019) and they were rarely turning people away.
The guest keep complaining it's too crowded, but they keep going.
They complain it is too expensive, but they keep going.

A lot of folks here seem more angry with the change than the status quo .... so ... is there really a problem with keeping things the same? What's the risk?

Crowding is just one of many problems.

First, I'm really upset about having to pay more and more and price hikes outpacing inflation.
Second, I'm even more upset that even though I'm paying a higher price, I'm losing out on perks and things that made visiting WDW so much more special than vacationing elsewhere, rather than getting more of these things to justify the price hikes and overpriced Disney resorts and food.
Third, I'm also upset about show quality, lack of maintenance, cleanliness, etc.

Add the crowding to all of the above...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney is offering the $1,000 bonus in addition to a $16 per hour wage for housekeeping and a $18 per hour wage for line cooks. Given that the nationwide fight has been for $15 per hour, I think it's a stretch to call what they are offering "meager."

…yeah about that…

$16 an hour (if you get full-time hours) is $33,280 per year. That's only a living wage in Orlando if you are single or if your spouse/SO works as well (and you don't have kids). At least that's according to MIT. https://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/36740

Also $1,000 bonus is not unusual in any metro area of the country right now.

…this

what year is it again?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Hamilton has ~6500 tickets a week. Disney has more than that just in value hotel rooms each day, let alone attendance

Hamilton is an E-Ticket ride with Premium Access.

 

[flynnibus]

$16 an hour (if you get full-time hours) is $33,280 per year. That's only a living wage in Orlando if you are single or if your spouse/SO works as well (and you don't have kids). At least that's according to MIT. https://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/36740

Also $1,000 bonus is not unusual in any metro area of the country right now.

And that's why most young people have roommates and don't have luxuries like living alone. You aren't going to have a 30yr career being a simple shift lifeguard and no one should expect to be. So can we stop the stupid 'living wage' non-sense as if every job is a 'support your whole life' thing.