FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[mikejs78]

although I do not want this system... i believe it is very very close to what we will get and certainly better than DLP

I suspect there will be bundles (as in buy 3 for reduced price per, not bundles like Shanghai)/multi-day pass discounts as well...

 

[MisterPenguin]

The surveys, if you read them closely and with a critical eye, are built so that the most chosen answers are nearly always predictable and what Disney wants.

Disney doesn't publish the results of these surveys. So, the pre-determined results are not for the public to see.

They're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars (I've seen the job postings for polling data analysts, then add to that the pollsters and online programmers) on what's basically influence scheme.

So... who are they trying to influence with these polls?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I call BS, I do not buy it for a second. The vast majority of Disney guests would not be happy going in knowing they had to pay to walk on any rides. I do not believe that they would "like" or "ask" to spend more money. Some (including me) might be inclined to pay for extra fast passes at certain times but not to pay to have to walk on all of the rides or even the vast majority of them at the theme parks they paid for in full in advance. Most would not like the only choices to be to wait on 60 minute lines all week OR PAY to skip.

So you’d do it…and you’re on a Disney fan board…

and havoc says most people are one timers/in frequenters…so they don’t know and they don’t care if they complain!

i’m just saying…Disney is a lot better and figuring out behavior than I…

and it’s not at all hard to see where this appears to be going.

 

[RSoxNo1]

You cannot be serious. Rides generate NO money? Take the rides out of the park. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DISNEY WORLD?

Remember when Disney charged to go into DCA and not ride rides?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I suspect there will be bundles (as in buy 3 for reduced price per, not bundles like Shanghai)/multi-day pass discounts as well...

Like how much are we talking? Like only $45 a head? For 3?
Compared to the $119 gate cover charge…that’s a steal! But it may cut into the $120 after hours…so we can “really experience fantasyland”

Disney doesn't publish the results of these surveys. So, the pre-determined results are not for the public to see.

They're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars (I've seen the job postings for polling data analysts, then add to that the pollsters and online programmers) on what's basically influence scheme.

So... who are they trying to influence with these polls?

So Disney doesn’t have controls over where the surveys go? Is that another unwritten SEC rule that nobody knows?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Disney doesn't publish the results of these surveys. So, the pre-determined results are not for the public to see.

They're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars (I've seen the job postings for polling data analysts, then add to that the pollsters and online programmers) on what's basically influence scheme.

So... who are they trying to influence with these polls?

In the case of a company like Disney, upper level executives and the BoD.

If you were a mid-level executive and told to conduct a survey to see what guests think of the possibility of paid fastpasses, knowing full well that this is what the upper levels want...would you allow the survey results to prove them wrong and be the one stuck delivering bad news?

Every survey I've ever read that was conducted by Disney has been chock full of bias and loaded words...which should be avoided at all costs if the purpose of the survey is to get anything close to real results.

 

[Waters Back Side]

So you’d do it…and you’re on a Disney fan board…

and havoc says most people are one timers/in frequenters…so they don’t know and they don’t care if they complain!

i’m just saying…Disney is a lot better and figuring out behavior than I…

and it’s not at all hard to see where this appears to be going.

I said as an option I'd definitely consider buying ADDITIONAL fast passes. I would not go to Disney World if my only two options are, wait in a queue, then wait in the stand by line when your called from the queue or pay to walk onto SOME rides. Thats a big difference.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

the following are email to the board of directors. james.d.macphee@disney.com Phil.M.Holmes@Disney.com sameul.w.lau@disney.com
jack.feivou@disney.com robert.a.iger@disney.com If everyone will email their outrage at CEO Robert Chapek to this board of directors maybe they will hear the America people. I already did this. As one person I am probably not making a difference. Standing together, maybe we can. Come my fellow Americans. I put in james email and CC the rest. We can do this. Lets take Disney World back.

You mean the board whose only function is to ensure the institutional investors that hold tens of millions of Disney shares that their investment will continue to generate more money and increase in value both in the short term and the long?

 

[matt9112]

So you don’t like modern capitalism?

The no free market disguised as one with various barries of entry and protectionism at its core ? Heck no.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In the case of a company like Disney, upper level executives and the BoD.

If you were a mid-level executive and told to conduct a survey to see what guests think of the possibility of paid fastpasses, knowing full well that this is what the upper levels want...would you allow the survey results to prove them wrong and be the one stuck delivering bad news?

Every survey I've ever read that was conducted by Disney has been chock full of bias and loaded words...which should be avoided at all costs is the purpose of the survey is to get anything close to real results.

…same as universal’s…but I think they’re owned by a small, mom and pop company that isn’t publicly traded?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The no free market disguised as one with various barries of entry and protectionism at its core ? Heck no.

…just making sure

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I said as an option I'd definitely consider buying ADDITIONAL fast passes. I would not go to Disney World if my only two options are, wait in a queue, then wait in the stand by line when your called from the queue or pay to walk onto SOME rides. Thats a big difference.

Better hold tight on that.

 

[Waters Back Side]

I suspect there will be bundles (as in buy 3 for reduced price per, not bundles like Shanghai)/multi-day pass discounts as well...

I can see this also as a separate option. Not the only option.

 

[Waters Back Side]

Like how much are we talking? Like only $45 a head? For 3?
Compared to the $119 gate cover charge…that’s a steal! But it may cut into the $120 after hours…so we can “really experience fantasyland”

How is this a steal? A party of 4 for 5 nights. That's 180 dollars a day x 5 days is 900 dollars. Do you understand you are asking a guest who is paying thousands of dollars to pay an extra 900 dollars to be able to skip some lines when they never had to in advance? That would be the last time they would be back for many. 900 dollars to walk onto 3 rides a day for 5 days? Let that sink in. It ain't happening. Too many people stay more than 4 or 5 nights. The theme park tickets are already paid for.

 

[sup]

You mean the board whose only function is to ensure the institutional investors that hold tens of millions of Disney shares that their investment will continue to generate more money and increase in value both in the short term and the long?

hummm so maybe not the board of directors. maybe mid level share holders. Or are you saying the American stand no longer matters? I am working on how to do this.

 

[flynnibus]

And gosh I'm not sure the parks could have handled any more increased attendance. Pre-pandemic levels of some of the parks even outside of the major holidays was getting to the point of crazy at times even during historically 'slow' periods. To me this is Disney pushing the pendulum a little far in the other direction, but its clearly more about control of the attendance rather than increasing the overall number of people.

Controlling Crowds is just all about lip service... Disney taking easy air cover to help convince people the prices are justified.

If Disney were actually concerned they'd do the things like actually run things at full capacity, add more entertainment options to soak up crowds, add more instances of shows to create capacity. But all those things cost money, money have to spend. These changes are about increasing YIELD from the people they do have.

 

[flynnibus]

That's also true, you have/had the flexibility with FP+ if you did change your mind - and another mark against this rumored change being an improvement. Anyone happy about the rumored new system allowing them the flexibility to choose what to do while already in the parks already had that flexibility with FP+ for free

Not the same. FP+ was allocated weeks prior... this system has things allocated to people in the park 'now'.

You gonna tell anyone with a straight face "Just drop your 3 FP+ reservations day of, you can get all new ones all the same" with a straight face?

Some might argue that this system will allow guests to book FastPasses for BOTH rides on the same day, but that ignores the fact that many guests won't pay for something that was previously free and therefore won't get a FastPass for either ride

Those holdouts will be a tiny group. In the heat of the battle... people will pay. Same way everyone pays the ridiculous food prices, the parking, etc.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

Controlling Crowds is just all about lip service... Disney taking easy air cover to help convince people the prices are justified.

If Disney were actually concerned they'd do the things like actually run things at full capacity, add more entertainment options to soak up crowds, add more instances of shows to create capacity. But all those things cost money, money have to spend. These changes are about increasing YIELD from the people they do have.

Agreed, they are all about that. Less people, more money. The question is whether this will create a different guest experience or not. Guess we'll see.

 

[tpac24]

So is all of this just speculation because of the announcement of the PAris parks new FP system?

 

[tanc]

seems like you just pay more nowadays and get less. No magical express soon, paid fast pass is a possibility, minimalistic "after hour party" events... list goes on.

Wait until the train is built at Disney springs and having your luggage carried or sent to your room is a paid service when it was done all for you before if you stayed on property.