FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[PirateFrank]

If they did an actual lottery then people who were unsuccessful would blame Disney. And that means a lot of irate people who are on their once in a lifetime / once in a blue moon complaining that Disney’s lottery shut them out.

Making people try for a BG themselves puts the onus on the guest. Yes there will still be upset guests but at least it isn’t directly attributable to Disney.

It might not seem much of a difference but I think there is a perception of difference between the two outcomes.

Thats definitely not much of a difference, if you ask me. Prior to covid, I was about to go to DLR. Our trip was scheduled for April '20 - but it obviously got canceled. One of the big stressors leading up to the trip was whether or not we were going to get onto Rise. I carefully planned that trip so that we had enough flexibility to adjust our plans if we got a boarding pass for a not-so-ideal time. I remember remarking to my wife that this sorta flexible planning was doable at DLR but I couldn't imagine it at WDW (due to the proximity of the parks to each other and the availability of dining in Anaheim). But even so - I read countless horror stories about families that got into Main Street, frantically banging away on their phones - followed by children or adults loudly sobbing at their misfortune.....and the cheers of those lucky enough to get their golden ticket just a few feet away made it worse. Decidedly un-Disney! But they don't care. Some demented psycho in Burbank probably thinks that sort of misfortune would make people come back because they read somewhere that losing brings people back to casinos and carnival games.

Regardless, people can still blame Disney for their servers not granting them access while granting it to others...and they have. They can still blame Disney for implementing a disparate, unfair system....and they have.

 

[PirateFrank]

I admit that this whole BG situation is stupid and should have been handled differently from the beginning but I have had zero problems getting all the way through the app to the part where it asks if I am here. I feel very confident that I will have no issues.

I got the tongue in cheek references. I was not attacking at all. I just do not see the WDW trips as problematic as others see them.

This might, again, depend on what time of year you go. But BGs do sell out, especially during peak times. It's been a problem since the introduction of the attraction.

 

[G00fyDad]

This might, again, depend on what time of year you go. But BGs do sell out, especially during peak times. It's been a problem since the introduction of the attraction.

Agreed. Fortunately for us we will be going in November of next year. Also, they will have the new attractions: Tron, Remy, and GotG, as well as everything currently closed should be back open in November 2022 as well. That should reduce the demand on RotR just a little plus the time will be a slower time of the year.

 

[PirateFrank]

Agreed. Fortunately for us we will be going in November of next year. Also, they will have the new attractions: Tron, Remy, and GotG, as well as everything currently closed should be back open in November 2022 as well. That should reduce the demand on RotR just a little plus the time will be a slower time of the year.

I'll be going down Dec 22-Jan 3 of this year (I might be freaking stupid nuts). I'll be sure to report how the time of year impacts the availability of Rise - Ive actually budgeted three separate days to try for a BG.

 

[G00fyDad]

I'll be going down Dec 22-Jan 3 of this year (I might be freaking stupid nuts). I'll be sure to report how the time of year impacts the availability of Rise - Ive actually budgeted three separate days to try for a BG.

A team of Clydesdales could drag me there during that week.

 

[Disney Dead Head]

I see some sort of Max Pass system coming. Deluxe and Deluxe Villas will have this included with Reservations.. All other Moderate and Value rooms will have option to purchase with Tickets. AP's will have included on Plat and Plat Plus with all others option of add on. All other guest will have to purchase separately.

 

[Jrb1979]

I see some sort of Max Pass system coming. Deluxe and Deluxe Villas will have this included with Reservations.. All other Moderate and Value rooms will have option to purchase with Tickets. AP's will have included on Plat and Plat Plus with all others option of add on. All other guest will have to purchase separately.

That changes nothing. It's still too many available. Too many are hung up on FP being available to everyone like it used to be. For a good FP system to work it's very limited to who has it.

IMO the best way to do it is nobody gets it free, no pre booking anymore. It's only available day of and it will cost you.

 

[Disney Dead Head]

That changes nothing. It's still too many available. Too many are hung up on FP being available to everyone like it used to be. For a good FP system to work it's very limited to who has it.

IMO the best way to do it is nobody gets it free, no pre booking anymore. It's only available day of and it will cost you.

What do you think Max Pass was? If you wanted it you paid for it one way or another and you didn't get your passes till you entered the park and you only got 3 and then you could chose more as you used them. If its included with your more expensive upgraded room then you still pay. If you have to add it on to your tickets then you still pay. If you don't want it then don't pay

 

[UNCgolf]

If they did an actual lottery then people who were unsuccessful would blame Disney. And that means a lot of irate people who are on their once in a lifetime / once in a blue moon complaining that Disney’s lottery shut them out.

Making people try for a BG themselves puts the onus on the guest. Yes there will still be upset guests but at least it isn’t directly attributable to Disney.

It might not seem much of a difference but I think there is a perception of difference between the two outcomes.

That already happens -- you can find people ranting about the boarding group system all over the place and how it kept them from being able to ride Rise, and they're still blaming Disney for it. Might as well do something that's more equitable if people are going to blame Disney anyways.

With that said, you could be right that more people would blame Disney with a lottery.

 

[Jrb1979]

What do you think Max Pass was? If you wanted it you paid for it one way or another and you didn't get your passes till you entered the park and you only got 3 and then you could chose more as you used them. If its included with your more expensive upgraded room then you still pay. If you have to add it on to your tickets then you still pay. If you don't want it then don't pay

I don't think it should be a version of Max Pass either and I also don't think it should be included.

 

[Family_Man]

I see some sort of Max Pass system coming. Deluxe and Deluxe Villas will have this included with Reservations.. All other Moderate and Value rooms will have option to purchase with Tickets. AP's will have included on Plat and Plat Plus with all others option of add on. All other guest will have to purchase separately.

The people who stay in Deluxe are those who spend the most on their vacations, and have the most disposable income to spend on the vacations. Why do people keep suggesting Disney wants to GIVE AWAY something to those most likely to pay? At this point, Disney's entire goal is getting people who spend $10k to spend $12k.

 

[Disney Dead Head]

The people who stay in Deluxe are those who spend the most on their vacations, and have the most disposable income to spend on the vacations. Why do people keep suggesting Disney wants to GIVE AWAY something to those most likely to pay? At this point, Disney's entire goal is getting people who spend $10k to spend $12k.

Why would you think they would just give it away? they can increase rates and also by including it in the Deluxe rooms it incentivizes guest to up grade from Moderate and or Value rooms

 

[nickys]

Why would you think they would just give it away? they can increase rates and also by including it in the Deluxe rooms it incentivizes guest to up grade from Moderate and or Value rooms

There are simply too many deluxe rooms on site for this. Let alone be able to sell it to other guests.

 

[Disney Dead Head]

There are simply too many deluxe rooms on site for this. Let alone be able to sell it to other guests.

if you take out the DVC Deluxe you only have 1400 more rooms then Mod and Val

 

[nickys]

if you take out the DVC Deluxe you only have 1400 more rooms then Mod and Val

That wasn’t my point. At 5000 deluxe rooms, that’s way too many to make this offering worth anything. Plus by increasing the rates to include it, you the exclude those who don’t want it. WDW is a different beast to any other Disney Parks Resort, or Universal in this regard.

(Plus you are ignoring the DVC villas which are treated the same as deluxe rooms in many regards).

I suggest you take a look to the East - towards Shanghai specifically.

 

[Disney Dead Head]

That wasn’t my point. At 5000 deluxe rooms, that’s way too many to make this offering worth anything. Plus by increasing the rates to include it, you the exclude those who don’t want it. WDW is a different beast to any other Disney Parks Resort, or Universal in this regard.

(Plus you are ignoring the DVC villas which are treated the same as deluxe rooms in many regards).

I suggest you take a look to the East - towards Shanghai specifically.

Im not ignoring the DVC villas. Why do you think that DVC just upped the Min Contract to 150 points????? all Deluxe rooms/ Studios and Villas total 17218. Mod and Val only total 10,819. I think you're short selling the fact that people don't want some sort of perk that doesn't make you wait in line. Just try and book a VIP Tour right now. you cant and it close to impossible even at the 60 Booking window

With that I'm going to agree to disagree and move along. Time will tell what will happen "SOON"

 

[Horizons '83]

That wasn’t my point. At 5000 deluxe rooms, that’s way too many to make this offering worth anything. Plus by increasing the rates to include it, you the exclude those who don’t want it. WDW is a different beast to any other Disney Parks Resort, or Universal in this regard.

(Plus you are ignoring the DVC villas which are treated the same as deluxe rooms in many regards).

I suggest you take a look to the East - towards Shanghai specifically.

Universal does it for their express pass at Hard Rock, Portofino and Royal Pacific. Which is why I'll never stay at those resorts unless I am going to the parks, because why pay 150 bucks more a night if you aren't going to use that benefit. The same would be true for Disney deluxe' s in my mind.

 

[nickys]

Im not ignoring the DVC villas. Why do you think that DVC just upped the Min Contract to 150 points????? all Deluxe rooms/ Studios and Villas total 17218. Mod and Val only total 10,819. I think you're short selling the fact that people don't want some sort of perk that doesn't make you wait in line. Just try and book a VIP Tour right now. you cant and it close to impossible even at the 60 Booking window

With that I'm going to agree to disagree and move along. Time will tell what will happen "SOON"

I thought when you said “if you take out the DVC …” you were discounting them. Upping the minimum buy-in and add-on doesn’t affect the thousands of existing owners. No way to treat DVC and Deluxe the same if it’s “included” in the deluxe room rates.

What they could do is offer a perk by way of advance purchase for onsite. Or if it is on the day, allow onsite guests to buy them during early entry.

Anyway, we’ll see. Our insiders have already outlined what this will look like. As you say, we can agree to disagree.

 

[nickys]

Universal does it for their express pass at Hard Rock, Portofino and Royal Pacific. Which is why I'll never stay at those resorts unless I am going to the parks, because why pay 150 bucks more a night if you aren't going to use that benefit. The same would be true for Disney deluxe' s in my mind.

Yes they do. And those are a small fraction of Universal guests. WDW has too many resorts to include it for even the deluxes.

 

[flynnibus]

Why would you think they would just give it away? they can increase rates and also by including it in the Deluxe rooms it incentivizes guest to up grade from Moderate and or Value rooms

Have you been following Disney platterns for onsite rooms lately? They aren’t gonna give those people anything for free IMO