nickys
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Lack of shows will also be affecting the lines. The theatres are people eaters normally.
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FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was
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pdude81
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The realistic solution in the short term is fastpass. Otherwise redesigned queues and/or lower crowds
M:SpilotISTC12
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This aged well.
hopemax
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Let’s say a ride has a capacity of 2000 people per hour, and the wait is 1 hr. You enter the queue. That means at that moment, there are 2000 people physically in line, in front of you. And that takes a certain amount of space.
With Fastpass, there are now two lines. The old standby line, for every 1 person that comes from the standby line, there are 1-4 people coming from Fastpass. So instead of 2000 people in front of you, for standby to have a 1 hr wait there only needs to be 1000 people (in the case of a ride that loads 50-50), 666 people (in the case of a ride that is 2:1), 500 people (in the case of a 3:1) and only 400 people, in the case of a ride that loads 4 Fastpass people for every 1 standby. 400 people take up significantly less space than 2000.
The other 1600 people the ride needs to fill its seats, are casually filtering in the other line over the course of their hour window. They won’t all arrive at the same time. If the wait in Fastpass is ~15 minutes, that is also 400 people.
So at any given moment, for a ride that is 2000 people per hour, and 20% come from standby and 80% come from Fastpass, 400 people are in standby, 400 people are in Fastpass, and 1200 people are elsewhere (clogging up walkways, in other lines, eating, shopping, etc). Right now, they are all in the very long standby. And people aren’t used to what that looks and feels like.
And it looks like I took too long to respond, but maybe it’s still useful.
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
If Disney wants to pay me my going rate for solution definition, I am confident I could think of something that would create an excellent solution that manages all of their Standby issues. Until then, I will just acknowledge it’s a very hard problem with no obvious solution other than what they were doing before (which had about 100 flaws)
nickys
Premium Member
I doubt they’ll need training as such. Whatever the system is, it’ll be on the magic bands / mobile etc just like FP+ and they’ll scan in at the readers the same as before.
Same system, new name.
castlecake2.0
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I went to studios last night for 4hrs, runaway train was 25 min wait, tower was a 5, coaster took maybe 15, had a light dinner at baseline, did some shopping, got a beer at brown derby, all in 4 hours without a fastpass, it was so relaxing, please don’t bring it back.
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
I think that’s more related to the lack of evening entertainment. Try doing that at 10AM.
Overall park capacity is still reduced."Empty" pathways and short lines are a result of whatever attractions are open to be able to handle the number of people there.
The lack of FP+ has nothing to do with it.
When SW:SR opened without FP, it had a longer wait than the other E-Ticket rides in DHS which all had FP.
When the MK is filled past its tipping point, TTA can get an hour long line, and it has one of the highest PPH capacity and no FP line.
That's a result of park capacity limitations, not the lack of FP. When SR opened without FP, it had higher waits than the other E-Tickets with FP.
Jedijax719
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Do you honestly think it will stay that way? The pandemic isn't going to keep crowds away forever (although, prices might).
UNCgolf
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It was also a brand new attraction. You can't realistically compare it to existing rides.
That doesn't mean you're wrong that it's because of park capacity limitations, but that's not a good data point. Longer lines are expected for something new.
Oh, there were quite a few people who thought that SR wasn't going to have any sort of long lines because there was no FP...
UNCgolf
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Well that was silly of them and completely unrealistic!
Disney isn't going to go back to pre-FP 1990s wait times because there are far more people in the parks. Some of the parks (EPCOT for sure; possibly MK as well although I'm not sure about that) have less capacity now than they did then as well.
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
You are correct but my point is still right: the physical queues of rides built since 2000 cannot handle the full hourly capacity of the ride because they were never meant to.
G00fyDad
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It did. Could have made money.
But they operated without FP for 30 years and they rarely saw 100 minute waits then. Yes the parks were busier pre-COVID than they were in 1999 but they have also pretty clearly said they don't intend to go back to 2019 capacity. The Park Pass system lets them limit capacity while ensuring the most valuable guests are prioritized, allowing them to cap attendance while seeing little downside revenue-wise.
They aren't making much less than pre-COVID at Disneyland, even though the park is at reduced capacity, because every single person there is buying a day ticket and the vast majority are staying park open to park close. It's a dream for them. They've "trimmed the fat," so to speak, from both the cast and guests.
The standby waits at these attractions will get higher of course, but with FP+ they'd start getting 120-180 minutes on the regular again.
UNCgolf
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I bet the Little Mermaid queue can handle it.
They built a massive queue for one ride that doesn't need it.
Right but add FP+ and the standby wait time would get far longer, while bringing it to a crawl.
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