David S.
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I get that sometimes, too. Sometimes I say "You know, they are free for everyone!" and people seem surprised by that!
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FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.
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I get that sometimes, too. Sometimes I say "You know, they are free for everyone!" and people seem surprised by that!
Many people do not know how the system works or even that it exists; particularly those on their first visit, repeat visitors who's last visit was prior to the implementation of the system, and those who do not speak English and can't ask what is going on. They just see people skipping them in line and resent it.
PirateFrank
Well-Known Member
You really can't prove didly-squat unless you can also prove that the parks overall attendance, capacity, rides open, time of year, weather, etc were all approximately the same for the two points of comparison. Otherwise, you're comparing apples to oranges. You need to consider ALL aspects that would affect ride volume to make such a comparison, and you can't do that...you also appear to be quite passionate about proving a mathematical falsehood, so to that point, how on earth should your 'trip diaries' be sufficient evidence that would, in most arguments, be considered 'tainted?
Anyone claiming that standby lines were worse before FP hasn't thought this through.
The fact remains that if you took the same day, side-by-side....with exactly the same weather, capacity and guest demographic....and one day the FP kiosks were shut off, you would not get more people on rides the day the kiosks were on. It's math. 2+2 does not equal 3 or 5. It equals 4. Whether FP is running or not, the same number of people will ride these rides. All you're doing is spreading out the pain in a way that forces people to adhere to a system the clogs up the lines.
Like I've already clearly outlined, in the end, you save no time if you're waiting on the rides for FPs to mature. You're just averaging out the VERY SAME wait you would get if there were no FPs to be had. Moreover, the bottlenecks that FPs inevitably bring to the table, push the numbers in my favor.....every time...
Face it....It's fact. FP does not speed up the standby lines. It slows them down. You can NOT inject riders into a queue 4/5 the way in and expect the speed to increase. You *think* you're saving time by waiting out your FP on another attraction. You're just getting fooled into thinking that....meanwhile the other attractions queue is 2 times as long as it needs to be.
A FP system that improves upon normalized park traffic would be a successful system....not one that kills normalized park traffic, like the currently employed system.
All the FP system does is artificially normalize park traffic at the expense of guests, who are forced to double/tripple/quadrupple back to locations, sit through queue bottlenecks as a result of FP merges, and have to endure FP abuse go on without CM's doing richard about it.
It's a bad system.....but somehow, Disney has convinced some of you that you're getting something of value, when you're getting shortchanged...
David S.
Member
:brick:
Most of the issues you bring up have already been addressed in my replies to Krack since your last post.
Please read my post here http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4230745&postcount=107, slowly and carefully. I am NOT getting shortchanged, I am benefiting, and clearly show how. You may feel like YOU get shortchanged by the system because of how you like to tour, but you can't speak for me..
And as I've clearly explained elsewhere I DON'T have to double back! I do LESS backtracking with FP than I did before they invented it, and I explained how here http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4229939&postcount=55 and here: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4229340&postcount=9
Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
Not sure how I'm getting shortchanged by using FP. There were long lines before FP and there's long standby lines after FP, only difference is I'M not waiting on them. I can get twice the amount of attractions done in half the time it used to take me.
PirateFrank
Well-Known Member
LOL, whatever....ok, so you don't double back. I guarantee you that when you *do* ride standby as youre waiting for your FP to mature, you're getting shortchanged.
Let me ask you....do you honor your FP times? Or are you one of those types that take advantage of CM's leniency with return times? Because while you might think you are benefiting yourself by returning with your FP 4 hours later than your FP expiration time, you're short-changing someone else! Even if *you* are that honorable guy who doesn't abuse the times, there are enough people that are doing it to shortchange you....
It's not an efficient system. More over it's a broken system. You might think its all great and wonderful....but that's what makes Disney so wonderful. They make both the good AND the bad look like a fabulous piece of key lime pie.
Regardless, if youve spend enough time in the parks as most of us, over the course of a few years, your time that you think you're "reclaiming" with the use of FP is getting eaten up by the bottlenecks it also creates. It'd be a fantastic experiment, but I'd bet my left nut that over the course of several trips, even the most careful FP planners have their time savings reclaimed by the very same bottlenecks this system creates.....I suspect you're way behind in your 'time savings' calculations while thinking you're way ahead.
However, go ahead thinking happy happy thoughts about FP....we wouldn't want you to pop a blood vessel or something..... As they say, ignorance is bliss, eh?
Do you visit attractions without Fast Pass that have lines (or Fast Pass attractions utilizing stand by)? If so, you're waiting longer than you would have if there was no Fast Pass - the line is longer.
Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
I don't get on line for anything longer than a 20- 30 minute wait. I plan ahead and get there at opening, FP an attraction that's popular (TSMM for example) and then enjoy the walk on waits on other attractions (ToT and RnRC). By the time my FP time is ready I've done those 2 attractions several times all while bypassing the now 90 minute wait on TSMM. Hell by that point I can FP something else and then take in a show while waiting for my time to be up.
I'm getting more done without waiting on lines.
Those 20-30 minute waits would be shorter (potentially walk-ons) without the Fast Pass system. That's what the system does, it's shifts the Fast Pass holders elsewhere - some go to the same attraction's standby line (to ride twice), some go to no-wait attractions, and some go to other attractions and stand in front of you in line.
Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
Based on my own personal experience of wait times BEFORE fast pass, there's no significant difference. Rides that had insanely long waits, still do (though rides like Splash Mountain had worse waits back then, in my experience). It's not like before fast pass every ride was a walk on or had no waits.
Fact of the matter is, I'm waiting on less lines than I used to. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Don't like it, don't use the system. :shrug:
wendysue
Well-Known Member
I think it's hilarious that Arem, (who couldn't WAIT to become a CM and work at the parks, no matter what) is now frustrated with the masses. Doesn't sound quite as magical now. Do I still want to come and work there? YES.
It's funny how he just puts these comments on here and gets 9 pages of people arguing over FP.
Amazing...:brick:
It's funny how he just puts these comments on here and gets 9 pages of people arguing over FP.
Amazing...:brick:
I don't like it because I must use the system.
David S.
Member
I NEVER ride a FP attraction standby, unless the ride is a walk-on such as at opening or closing
I honor the first time always. I've been told by numorous CMs and MANAGERS not to worry about the second time. That they are good between the first time and park closing. When I use one late, it's usually for an extra ride late in the evenings when the FP queue is a walk on and the standby is very short, so in those instances I am putting less of a strain on the system than I would have if I used it on time, such as if the ticket was for 3 PM and the FP was backed up then with a 60 minute standby. When I'm "late", HOURS and HOURS worth of people got on ONE PERSON QUICKER because I was "late".
At 1:55-2:30 of this video, you will see some comments in an official WDW production about it being okay to use them "late"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C1KJS3aOtQ
If people who I respect who actually run the parks tell me that they don't consider this a violation of the "rules", their opinion is what I go by as to whether or not this is OK - not a fan on a message board.
Um, I probably spend more time in the parks than "most of you". I lived in Orlando for 24 consecutive months a few years ago, and still spend 6 months a year there. I do about 60 full days in the 4 parks each year (with about half in the MK and the rest divided evenly between the other three parks), and actually have the experience with the system to back up my comments.
The only time my plans are adversely effected by FP is when the machines are down for a particular attraction on a given day, and not being offered to anyone. For instance, I've seen this on Jungle Cruise a few times when I was expecting to be able to use FP for a walk-on, but there was none offered that day. So I had to use standby which took longer to do this attraction than I am used to.
Ditto. Keep ingnoring people with lots of experience with the system who know what they are talking about when they say, if used properly, it can save you a TON of time. Keep telling yourself it's "bad" and getting on less rides than you could if you would embrace the system!
No, actually you don't...........
Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
Mickey holding a gun to your head?
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
FastPass has always been one of those "button" issues around here.
Like refillable mugs, pool hopping, line cutting, parking at the resorts, smoking, simmering, boiling, poaching, frying, et al.
You forgot DVC ownership.