Fast Pass Upgraded?

[Hakunamatata]

because is not a reason or sentence once youve passed the age of 11

Calculus thanks is not a sentence either once you have passed the age of 11......just thought you might want to know that.

 

[VillainFan]

They sure make value resort people walk a mile to get to their bus stop. Why not screw them over some more and give them even less benefits? The hotel prices are just astronomical, and I honestly think the FastPass system works well enough now.

 

[Vernonpush]

I'm always upset that when I stay at an Epcot resort, that I'm held at the International Gateway at park opening, while those who come from the main entrance are let into Epcot at the same time, they have less distance to travel to the attractions that are open. I'm paying Deluxe prices, yet I'm held back from Future World upon entering, it gives an unfair advantage to everyone else (Value, Moderate and off property guests) than those of us paying for Deluxe rooms. Maybe they should let guests enter on a priority system. Those of us that are at a Deluxe resort can enter first, then Moderates, then Value, then day guests.

 

[PagingTomMorrow]

suggest what you want cause i guarentee disney isnt gonna do it

 

[Hakunamatata]

I'm always upset that when I stay at an Epcot resort, that I'm held at the International Gateway at park opening, while those who come from the main entrance are let into Epcot at the same time, they have less distance to travel to the attractions that are open. I'm paying Deluxe prices, yet I'm held back from Future World upon entering, it gives an unfair advantage to everyone else (Value, Moderate and off property guests) than those of us paying for Deluxe rooms. Maybe they should let guests enter on a priority system. Those of us that are at a Deluxe resort can enter first, then Moderates, then Value, then day guests.

Boat/Bus to Downtown Disney, Downtown Disney to Contemporary, Contemporary to TTC, TTC on monorail to Epcot.

 

[Slowjack]

PagingTomTomorrow, I just wanted to say I understood you completely.

I've stayed off property, Value, Moderate, and last time went big-time and stayed at the AKL. Of course you get more when you go to the better, more expensive resort. What PagingTomTomorrow and others are objecting to is that someone would have to wait in line longer just so someone from a pricier resort can go to the front of the line.

Let's say that the price to enter a Disney park is $X, and that Value Resort guest G can ride a set of 10 rides during a day. If the new policy meant that G could only ride 8 or 9 rides during that day, then this basically results in a lower value for G's $X.

Tickets to Disney parks are expensive. None of us would be on this forum if we didn't think it was worth it, but having paid a lot of money to get in the park, even if one is staying at the Motel 6, I think there's some expectation of fair play that this idea violates.

Put another way, suppose you are staying at a Comfort Inn and walk across the street to eat at the fancy Hotel D'Elegance's Gold Room. The meal costs $45 per person, let's say, not including drinks. If guests staying at the Hotel D'Elegance got free appetizers at the Gold Room, or other perks, you wouldn't feel you had a cause to complain--it increases their value, but it doesn't decrease yours. But suppose there was just one dessert tray, and Hotel guests were all served desserts before anyone else, and many of the tastiest desserts ran out. So instead of tiramisu, you got an oatmeal cookie. I think you would feel that for $45 you deserved a shot at the best desserts.

Yes, we don't know what the practical details are of such a system. But I don't see how you can offer more fastpasses for one group of people without increasing the wait times for everyone not in that group.

 

[Connor002]

How can you say that there is no difference in staying at a Value Resort and staying at a Moderate or Deluxe? There are tons of differences.

1. Deluxe and Moderate resorts are more visibly pleasing.
2. Deluxe and Moderate resorts offer more dining options.
3. Deluxe and Moderate resorts offer Conceirge (sp?) services.
4. Show me a Value Resort that has a character meal experience.
5. Deluxe resorts are on the Monorail line. Values are on the bus line.
6. Deluxe and Moderate resort rooms are larger than Value Resorts.

These are just a few. You can not reasonably say that there is no difference between value and deluxe.

1. It depends on your taste, for example, my moter loves CBR, but dislikes the Contemporary's theming.
2. Most often true.
3. As of now, that's true
4. True, no moderate/value resort has character dinning as of now
5. Not true, only the Contemporary, Grand Floridian, and the Polynesian resort are on the monorail line.
6. Unsure, but most likely true

 

[PagingTomMorrow]

PagingTomTomorrow, I just wanted to say I understood you completely.

I've stayed off property, Value, Moderate, and last time went big-time and stayed at the AKL. Of course you get more when you go to the better, more expensive resort. What PagingTomTomorrow and others are objecting to is that someone would have to wait in line longer just so someone from a pricier resort can go to the front of the line.

Let's say that the price to enter a Disney park is $X, and that Value Resort guest G can ride a set of 10 rides during a day. If the new policy meant that G could only ride 8 or 9 rides during that day, then this basically results in a lower value for G's $X.

Tickets to Disney parks are expensive. None of us would be on this forum if we didn't think it was worth it, but having paid a lot of money to get in the park, even if one is staying at the Motel 6, I think there's some expectation of fair play that this idea violates.

Put another way, suppose you are staying at a Comfort Inn and walk across the street to eat at the fancy Hotel D'Elegance's Gold Room. The meal costs $45 per person, let's say, not including drinks. If guests staying at the Hotel D'Elegance got free appetizers at the Gold Room, or other perks, you wouldn't feel you had a cause to complain--it increases their value, but it doesn't decrease yours. But suppose there was just one dessert tray, and Hotel guests were all served desserts before anyone else, and many of the tastiest desserts ran out. So instead of tiramisu, you got an oatmeal cookie. I think you would feel that for $45 you deserved a shot at the best desserts.

Yes, we don't know what the practical details are of such a system. But I don't see how you can offer more fastpasses for one group of people without increasing the wait times for everyone not in that group.

FINALLY!!!

 

[Vernonpush]

Boat/Bus to Downtown Disney, Downtown Disney to Contemporary, Contemporary to TTC, TTC on monorail to Epcot.

:lol: That would get me at the main gate two hours after opening!

 

[Hakunamatata]

But suppose there was just one dessert tray, and Hotel guests were all served desserts before anyone else, and many of the tastiest desserts ran out. So instead of tiramisu, you got an oatmeal cookie. I think you would feel that for $45 you deserved a shot at the best desserts.

Next time, if I really wanted one of those deserts that went fast, I would stay at that hotel. Its all about what you value and what you are willing to pay. Its also about "Disney ownes the parks and resorts and they can do what they want". How many times does that have to be stated.

We are not talking about a government social program that is concerned about if everyone gets there whatever that they have coming to them. This is a business. They happen to be in the business of entertainment, and making money. Dont confuse Disney with FEMA, Social Security, or any other government program.

 

[Hakunamatata]

:lol: That would get me at the main gate two hours after opening!

:lol:

It was an option, not necessarily the best one.

 

[Slowjack]

NOTHING will change for value resort guests. They will have the same wait times, and the same amount of attractions per day. Deluxe guests on the other hand will get less wait times, and more attractions per day. NOBODY is getting less of anything.

How could this be so? If deluxe guests are getting shorter wait times, it's because they get more fastpasses. More fastpasses increase the wait time for the standby lines. Unless they were somehow able (and willing) to increase the overall capacity for the popular rides to make up for the difference, how is it that some people can ride more without others having to wait more?

 

[wannab@dis]

Yes, we don't know what the practical details are of such a system. But I don't see how you can offer more fastpasses for one group of people without increasing the wait times for everyone not in that group.

Good post!

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think that the impact will be as dire as some have predicted. Keep in mind that there are not that many people staying at the deluxe resorts compared to the total number of visitors. When you spread those people out over all the parks, the impact would not be very significant and probably not noticeable by the general guest.

 

[PagingTomMorrow]

Next time, if I really wanted one of those deserts that went fast, I would stay at that hotel. Its all about what you value and what you are willing to pay. Its also about "Disney ownes the parks and resorts and they can do what they want". How many times does that have to be stated.

cause we all know disney doesnt give a damn about wether or not people enjoy their experience

 

[Hakunamatata]

Next time, if I really wanted one of those deserts that went fast, I would stay at that hotel. Its all about what you value and what you are willing to pay. Its also about "Disney ownes the parks and resorts and they can do what they want". How many times does that have to be stated


cause we all know disney doesnt give a damn about wether or not people enjoy their experience

Thats bull excrement and you are just too young to understand that:

1. You get what you pay for.
2. Not everyone is equal in the eyes of the dollar.
3. Life aint fair.

 

[PagingTomMorrow]

Good post!

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think that the impact will be as dire as some have predicted. Keep in mind that there are not that many people staying at the deluxe resorts compared to the total number of visitors. When you spread those people out over all the parks, the impact would not be very significant and probably not noticeable by the general guest.

thats a very good point... but it will still effect the rest of us no matter how much or how little

 

[PagingTomMorrow]

Thats bull excrement and you are just too young to understand that:

1. You get what you pay for.
2. Not everyone is equal in the eyes of the dollar.
3. Life aint fair.

i was being sarcastic



ps- whats my age?

 

[wannab@dis]

thats a very good point... but it will still effect the rest of us no matter how much or how little

Well, all I can say is this... IF it happens and it bothers you that much... stay in a deluxe. You had a poll about staying in a deluxe, so I'm not sure why you are worried about it so much.

 

[Slowjack]

Next time, if I really wanted one of those deserts that went fast, I would stay at that hotel. Its all about what you value and what you are willing to pay. Its also about "Disney ownes the parks and resorts and they can do what they want". How many times does that have to be stated.

We are not talking about a government social program that is concerned about if everyone gets there whatever that they have coming to them. This is a business. They happen to be in the business of entertainment, and making money. Dont confuse Disney with FEMA, Social Security, or any other government program.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether Disney has the authority to structure tickets any way they see fit. Are you saying that if you paid the $45 in my example and didn't get the good dessert, you wouldn't feel slighted? Just curious. Maybe you wouldn't. You say you would stay at that hotel next time--maybe, but I'll bet you might consider just staying at the Comfort Inn and eating somewhere else. Still, I hope you can imagine that some family, having paid collectively $200+ to be in the MK, might feel that they've been a little cheated when Mr. Fancy Guest pulls out his wallet full of fastpasses.

It seems like your basic argument is that the world isn't fair and we should get used it. You might consider, though, that the real world is what most people go to Disney World to avoid. The real world isn't clean, either, and has few entertaining robots.

 

[PagingTomMorrow]

Well, all I can say is this... IF it happens and it bothers you that much... stay in a deluxe. You had a poll about staying in a deluxe, so I'm not sure why you are worried about it so much.

im a democrat. i care about how EVERYONE is doing lol