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Fantasmic! 2.0 Rumors, Speculation, Announcments

stitchcastle

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I especially like the opening a lot more than the original. I never understood why Mickey was waving his hands back and forth over his head like he was at a rave.

I always saw that as Mickey conducting the fountains like an orchestra.

anyway, I feel like this version would be perfect for WDW, it's big and bombastic enough to warrant a set up like the Hollywood Hills Amphitheater. For Disneyland though I prefer the more intimate, stripped down previous version.
 

Dr. Hans Reinhardt

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One of the crew members for fantasmic over at MiceCraZyChat mentioned that its heavy and can easily get damaged. I was sad to hear they weren't using it. I wish all characters in all shows got them, maybe some day?
Hopefully. Considering how everything has been so nicely upgraded it was surprising to see the old Mickey heads being used.
 

brb1006

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After watching a video of it on YouTube, I can say that the refurbishment was a massive improvement on a technical level. But even though I do think the show has best effects any version of the show has ever had, I can't say it's an all around superior version. While I wouldn't say Disney ruined it, I would say major structural damage was caused in certain parts. They pretty much changed things just to change things. There are so many changes, I have to break it down scene by scene to describe how I feel about it.

The First major issue is that Mickey comes out way before his musical cue. It really diminishes the impact. Second major issue is that almost everything from the score to Mickey Mouse's dialogue has been unnecessarily rerecorded with a quality noticeably lower than the pitch perfect original. Because of this, the whole show never feels as right as it should. That isn't to say there weren't changes that I like. Combining the Lion King and Jungle Book scenes worked out very well as did the Genie replacement for the Pinocchio scene. But then there's the PotC scene on the Columbia which I knew I would like less than Peter Pan due to the latter being an inherently better IP for the show tonally speaking. After that is the Whole New World section which I feel is a little tacked on and would've been better if audio of Aladdin and Jasmine singing to each other was in place instead of a singer who sounds a bit over the top for what the scene should be. Another poor change is Rapunzel in place of Snow White in the Princess scene. I'm not against Rapunzel being in the show, but I feel the flow of the scene is broken. However, the absolute worst change in the show is the transition to the Villain section of the show. Instead of the Queen talking to the magic mirror and transforming into the witch, it's now Mickey for some strange reason. The witch still shows up after this, but the villainous buildup of that scene is completely destroyed. The show from here on out is pretty much the same aside from the unnecessarily rerecorded dialogue that I mentioned earlier.

All in all, I still think that Fantasmic! is a solid show and looks better than ever, but like a lot of things in Disney today, unnecessary modernizations hurt the final project. If it were up to me, I would've updated the effects in a similar fashion, but changed the actual content in very few ways. I do think there's a reason the original 1992 version of Fantasmic! is widely considered to be the best version around the world. Sadly, it appears Disney didn't learn why and turned it into something that suffers from a lot of the same issues as its clones but to a greater extent in some respects.
I think the new Villian transition might also be based on the Tokyo version.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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Hopefully. Considering how everything has been so nicely upgraded it was surprising to see the old Mickey heads being used.
Mickey has his new face in the show, but Fantasmic is unlikely to ever get articulated heads. It is felt that they are not necessary from such a far distance and aren't needed to be effective, so they're not used. Most guests wouldn't even be able to tell that his mouth would be moving, so they stick to "animation" - the broad moves of the performer to mime along with dialogue.
 
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vancee

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One thing that bothers me is how only Mickey has a articulated head in Soundsational and in the Red Trolly News Boys (Minnie doesn't, even though she's in for a few seconds or whatever). All characters should have it, even if they don't speak.
 

nevol

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I always saw that as Mickey conducting the fountains like an orchestra.

anyway, I feel like this version would be perfect for WDW, it's big and bombastic enough to warrant a set up like the Hollywood Hills Amphitheater. For Disneyland though I prefer the more intimate, stripped down previous version.
Since disneyland is limited in the level of spectacle they can perform with their castle shows since the castle is so small, and they so eagerly want to include new / contemporary entertainment, they have to give us the contempo brand rave on the ROA. I'm fine with it. We still get a nostalgic firework show on the castle and most if not all other disney parks only have one nighttime spectacular.
 

nevol

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I saw a side-by-side vid last night of the old and new show:
they cut some script from the "welcome to fantasmic" but even with the actual show beginning earlier, the intro sequence runs longer. The lotus flower-kaa-elephants scene that I so adored in 1.0 is much shorter than the new sequence they've included because now they have lion king music they've shoehorned in. By the time we get to the Columbia in the new show, it was over in the old show. The princess sequence runs longer, and I miss having the evil queen summon the magic mirror. I feel like this might have just been left on the editing room floor once somebody in entertainment proposed the recycling of the aladdin carpet. The nightmare sequence is shorter and tighter. No complaints there beyond the absence of the queen in the very beginning. Seeing them side by side, the show is more stable end to end, which some will think is a good thing and some will have a problem with. Overall, more action, and surprisingly, the scenes that feel shorter are oftentimes longer.
 

vancee

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Perhaps we'll get to see any new effects tonight since it's officially debuting today? Doubt it though.
 

flynnibus

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I can't believe they removed the queens transformation and the magic mirror.

And removed some costumes from Mickey? Mickey can't use a sword anymore?

Does anyone think the pirates scene is better than the pan sequence?

Last time around they did a great job of enhancing the technology of the show while almost every change was a positive one.

This time? Meh! I can accept the alladin changes... but the show isn't as strong as before imo.

I'd like to see the projections in person to really see how much they add verse busy-ness. It's hard to tell in the fuzzy videos so far
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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I can't believe they removed the queens transformation and the magic mirror.
I think the thought was that without Snow White directly preceding her appearance, it would make more sense to cut to the chase. I would definitely have preferred they kept the Queen, myself.

And removed some costumes from Mickey? Mickey can't use a sword anymore?
Just the brave little tailor costume. I don't think it was done to remove the sword, just an excuse to make the really cool stage picture of Mickey shooting magic at the dragon to defeat it, like this overused promo image showed for the past 25 years:



Does anyone think the pirates scene is better than the pan sequence?
Not really. Overwhelming negativity on this change from everyone I've talked to.
 

flynnibus

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I think the thought was that without Snow White directly preceding her appearance, it would make more sense to cut to the chase. I would definitely have preferred they kept the Queen, myself.
I feel like it loses story and continuity in the new form. Feels more like WoC collage instead of progression...


Just the brave little tailor costume. I don't think it was done to remove the sword, just an excuse to make the really cool stage picture of Mickey shooting magic at the dragon to defeat it, like this overused promo image showed for the past 25 years:
I feel like... 'when everyone is sorcerer Mickey... no one is sorcerer mickey'. Ya know?
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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The POTC scene is basically a terrible change, not necessarily a terrible scene. I can appreciate them basing it on the original movie and not any of the sequels (apparently?), but the Peter Pan scene was one of the coolest things I've ever seen and this is coming from someone who doesn't love Fantasmic because of how much it disrupts the atmosphere of NOS. It was extremely charming with the cannon fire and croc following the ship, Pan egging Hook on etc.

Why is there a giant bush wall when the Mark Twain leaves the dock?
 

EPICOT

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Anyone else think the live action Barbosa does not fit at all with the flow of the show, which is all animation? The POTC scene by itself is a good scene, but it just doesn't jive very well with the whole show IMO.
 

nevol

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Anyone else think the live action Barbosa does not fit at all with the flow of the show, which is all animation? The POTC scene by itself is a good scene, but it just doesn't jive very well with the whole show IMO.
I thought it was weird to see his face, but the ship and all else is fine, as it had live actors on it already. People seemed really excited when they saw his face though, as if they couldn't put two and two together to know it was pirates. maybe the excitement would just be delayed a bit until the score and action sequence on the columbia pick up if the kept his dialogue but cut the video projection for a happy medium.
 
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