Rodan75
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Gary? Spirit? You are an interesting addition to the community with convenient timing.
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Gary? Spirit? You are an interesting addition to the community with convenient timing.
sponono88
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well this is going be quite an interesting week.
Happening in the other thread.. perhaps the threads should be merged.
Happening in the other thread.. perhaps the threads should be merged.
Animaniac93-98
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Boom
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News - Al Lutz Returns - Update: Page 18 Drama
And this just got interesting again. I *thought* I was gonna get some sleep tonight. Who's bringing the coffee and donuts?
Animaniac93-98
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My thoughts on the article:
I think a lot of it is plausible. Maybe even probable. I hope this smokes out more drama before D23. Then we will see how far this article cuts deep.
But as far as the state of rumors and new things coming out of D23.... okay, I know where to start.
I peaced out from the message boards a long time ago but still stay close to everyone I trust from those days. Since then I still get crazy rumors and gossip and I think it’s always total bunk. “No way is Disney that crazy.” And then it turns out to be true.
All the crazy stuff Tom Corless posted before the last D23 turned out to be legit. I didn’t believe TRON was coming. I thought I was being messed with for lolz. I was not.
To be completely honest, all the stuff he’s posted about potential projects coming to WDW should be taken seriously. D23 is coming and all will be revealed. I’ve even heard crazier stuff. Like Wakanda being a new World Showcase pavilion. I don’t believe it. But all bets are off.
They are/were going to ram Moana into the Tiki Room. The desire to toss the Country Bears for something “IP” is real. If it is the Toy Story show, your guesses are as good as mine. But the Bears probably aren’t long for this world.
Actually, let’s not mince words. If you care about anything at WDW, make an active chance to see it soon. The amount of “change” coming is staggering. And most of it not for the good. (Bye bye Communicore West!)
I guess I should loop this back to the article. @WDW1974 can speak for himself, but his reputation of being correct more than incorrect speaks for itself. I trust him, and by relation I can probably trust his brother.
But, I think an attitude of “question everything” is appropriate in Disney Fandom in 2019. I have questions and want to know more about the allegations made. We all do.
And good god, there’s no chance I am cashing checks from Disney to manipulate the fan community. I am too prideful, and I only bat for my home team (Universal Studios)
I think a lot of it is plausible. Maybe even probable. I hope this smokes out more drama before D23. Then we will see how far this article cuts deep.
But as far as the state of rumors and new things coming out of D23.... okay, I know where to start.
I peaced out from the message boards a long time ago but still stay close to everyone I trust from those days. Since then I still get crazy rumors and gossip and I think it’s always total bunk. “No way is Disney that crazy.” And then it turns out to be true.
All the crazy stuff Tom Corless posted before the last D23 turned out to be legit. I didn’t believe TRON was coming. I thought I was being messed with for lolz. I was not.
To be completely honest, all the stuff he’s posted about potential projects coming to WDW should be taken seriously. D23 is coming and all will be revealed. I’ve even heard crazier stuff. Like Wakanda being a new World Showcase pavilion. I don’t believe it. But all bets are off.
They are/were going to ram Moana into the Tiki Room. The desire to toss the Country Bears for something “IP” is real. If it is the Toy Story show, your guesses are as good as mine. But the Bears probably aren’t long for this world.
Actually, let’s not mince words. If you care about anything at WDW, make an active chance to see it soon. The amount of “change” coming is staggering. And most of it not for the good. (Bye bye Communicore West!)
I guess I should loop this back to the article. @WDW1974 can speak for himself, but his reputation of being correct more than incorrect speaks for itself. I trust him, and by relation I can probably trust his brother.
But, I think an attitude of “question everything” is appropriate in Disney Fandom in 2019. I have questions and want to know more about the allegations made. We all do.
And good god, there’s no chance I am cashing checks from Disney to manipulate the fan community. I am too prideful, and I only bat for my home team (Universal Studios)
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PizzaPlanet
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Is anyone else confused why Donald Glover is on the corporate website? The article suggested it's because he played Lando, but it doesn't even look like he's in costume...
HmmmmmMMMmm
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wow the other tread
told you.
More than one.
Many different identities.
Multiple people playing one role.
Multiple different roles played by multiple people on both sides of the fence.
Paul McCartney Died and was Replaced and all that jazz..
Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine
told you.
More than one.
Many different identities.
Multiple people playing one role.
Multiple different roles played by multiple people on both sides of the fence.
Paul McCartney Died and was Replaced and all that jazz..
Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine, Number Nine
DDLand
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Alright, this is crazy. I think I'm fully caught up. So earlier I said that it seemed Spirit was Gary Snyder. After reading several posts, particularly @flynnibus , it seems Spirit is Michael Snyder (Gary's brother). This actually is supported by @WDW1974's posting history...
Via @RSoxNo1 earlier in this thread, @WDW1974 discussing Gary Snyder and his Shanghai article. Read the following post as if Michael (Spirit) is talking about his brother in vague terms:
Gary made the claim that he had met with George, but Michael has made that same claim here:
So how could Gary and Michael have both managed to have lunch with George at DCA?
"One anecdote that I shared with @@Lee earlier and I sorta feel like it belongs here.
In Nov. 2001, I paid my first post 9/11 visit to DLR. One afternoon I was having lunch with George Kalogridis and a friend in media and talk went from plans for DCA's first holiday season and the new Luminaria show to the state of constant fear our nation had been under.
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Who's the "friend in the media?" Gary, who has a history of working as a media consultant. The event probably went something like this...
George, in the midst of a full blown crisis after Disney's California Adventure' embarrassing opening, needs help. In a moment of desperation, he remembers that one of the journalists who covers theme parks, Michael Snyder (who would become Spirit), has a brother that is a big Disney fan and a media consultant. George had met Gary previously at the Epcot millennial celebration. I'm guessing Gary was Michael's plus one to the event, and George had found him interesting. A friendship was sparked, and George felt comfortable asking Gary to a luxurious dinner at the restaurant that would become Flame Jumpers Grill in DCA.
Michael (Spirit), puts George in contact with Gary, and the three meet up at Condor Flats (RIP). That must have been an interesting lunch. George is desperate for help in turning around the narrative. Gary gives him the advice that he repeats in the article. Instead of trying to fight Lutz or close off every leak, he should just leak to Lutz himself. One method of dealing with predatory animals who prey on valuable livestock (or even people) is to offer them up something easier. Predators are actually lazy. Lutz wanted information, and instead of searching for it, it could be handed to him on a silver platter. Look back at MiceChat articles. They often portray one group of people as amazing and beloved executives, and another group of people as evil.
Look how this one targets Christie Fleischer, an outsider who could threaten the power of the establishment at TDA:
www.micechat.com
Or how Mary Niven is "a smart choice."
www.micechat.com
There is more of that where these two came from. Clearly certain executives have used Lutz and other commentators to their advantage, by casting some as unqualified and others as amazing. That's not to say there's no truth behind any of the assertions. Christie had no park experience, but it can't help but feel like office politics in the public.
Gary helped craft this strategy, and instructed George to view online commentators as assets and not enemies. Sage wisdom. This conversation at DCA also broached subjects such as the definition of a "local," security, and performance of Disney's California Adventure.
So Gary, is Michael or Spirit's brother, but they both share a common interest in Disney Parks. They also both know George K. personally and attended a strategy session with him. Apparently both brothers came away unimpressed with George's capabilities. Spirit describes him as more sure of his brains than he should be, and someone who cares about guests secondary to profits. There was a falling out sometime after this lunch, and the brothers and George haven't spoken recently.
All of this sounds mighty believable. If the above story is where it ended, I would have no difficulty in believing the entire piece. But it doesn't end there. This is not a B level executive, so far down the org chart that the CEO would be pressed to know his name, asking a journalist to put him in contact with a media consultant. No, this then gets tied to the highest levels of the Walt Disney Company.
The biggest red flag with this story is the idea that Zenia Mucha is deeply involved with the PR of the division formerly known as Walt Disney Parks & Resorts. If I had to hazard a guess, Zenia may receive a weekly update from them on progress. In certain cases she really may dive in if there's an issue, but she probably cares about Parks and Resorts as much as Bob Iger- which is to say not very much. Her using the Disneyland fanbase to turn everyone against Eisner is difficult fathom. It seems even more strange that she would use Lutz to destroy Chapek when she has bigger things to worry about (#boycottmulan).
With that said, being honest, there could be something to her helping to depose Eisner. Zenia was head of corporate communications during Save Disney. During her tenure, some of the worst corporate communications ever to occur in the modern world happened. Like it's hard to describe how horribly the Save Disney stuff was handled. A GRASS ROOTS movement was able to unseat a storied CEO. It's ridiculous and bizarre. Yet who still sits by Iger's side? Zenia. One would think a terrible executive would have been eliminated, but instead she has sat loyally by his side for more than a decade. Why?
@TP2000 stuff just gets really odd. There's innuendo and threats happening at the Disneyland board right now. I really hope @TP2000 isn't a Zenia plant- I find him amusing and charming! Though in all honesty, it may actually make him more amusing and charming if he was part of a conspiracy. If anyone was, it would be TP!
One last thought... Would Eisner know the Snyders? And would Eisner hold a grudge against Iger for deposing him?
Just a thought...
Edit: I wanted to add that Spirit used to go by MSS on a different chat. MS are the initials for Michael Snyder. Coincidence?
Via @RSoxNo1 earlier in this thread, @WDW1974 discussing Gary Snyder and his Shanghai article. Read the following post as if Michael (Spirit) is talking about his brother in vague terms:
Gary made the claim that he had met with George, but Michael has made that same claim here:
So how could Gary and Michael have both managed to have lunch with George at DCA?
"One anecdote that I shared with @@Lee earlier and I sorta feel like it belongs here.
In Nov. 2001, I paid my first post 9/11 visit to DLR. One afternoon I was having lunch with George Kalogridis and a friend in media and talk went from plans for DCA's first holiday season and the new Luminaria show to the state of constant fear our nation had been under.
"
Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV
Ever heard of a company called IQT? Me neither. At least not until I did some research on NGE (hey, @Jason Garcia maybe you might want to do likewise instead of appearing on fanboi podcasts!) after receiving the information I posted a few days ago here. In 1998, CIA identified technology as a...
Who's the "friend in the media?" Gary, who has a history of working as a media consultant. The event probably went something like this...
George, in the midst of a full blown crisis after Disney's California Adventure' embarrassing opening, needs help. In a moment of desperation, he remembers that one of the journalists who covers theme parks, Michael Snyder (who would become Spirit), has a brother that is a big Disney fan and a media consultant. George had met Gary previously at the Epcot millennial celebration. I'm guessing Gary was Michael's plus one to the event, and George had found him interesting. A friendship was sparked, and George felt comfortable asking Gary to a luxurious dinner at the restaurant that would become Flame Jumpers Grill in DCA.
Michael (Spirit), puts George in contact with Gary, and the three meet up at Condor Flats (RIP). That must have been an interesting lunch. George is desperate for help in turning around the narrative. Gary gives him the advice that he repeats in the article. Instead of trying to fight Lutz or close off every leak, he should just leak to Lutz himself. One method of dealing with predatory animals who prey on valuable livestock (or even people) is to offer them up something easier. Predators are actually lazy. Lutz wanted information, and instead of searching for it, it could be handed to him on a silver platter. Look back at MiceChat articles. They often portray one group of people as amazing and beloved executives, and another group of people as evil.
Look how this one targets Christie Fleischer, an outsider who could threaten the power of the establishment at TDA:
MiceAge Disneyland Update - The Phantom Menace
It’s been a week since Disneyland shut down five attractions from the 1950’s to begin the massive construction on the biggest expansion of the park in its 60 year history. While fleets of bulldozers, dump
www.micechat.com
Or how Mary Niven is "a smart choice."
Disneyland Rumor Update
The MiceAge Disneyland Rumor Update brings news of Star Wars, Marvel, and massive executive changes to the happiest place on earth.
www.micechat.com
There is more of that where these two came from. Clearly certain executives have used Lutz and other commentators to their advantage, by casting some as unqualified and others as amazing. That's not to say there's no truth behind any of the assertions. Christie had no park experience, but it can't help but feel like office politics in the public.
Gary helped craft this strategy, and instructed George to view online commentators as assets and not enemies. Sage wisdom. This conversation at DCA also broached subjects such as the definition of a "local," security, and performance of Disney's California Adventure.
So Gary, is Michael or Spirit's brother, but they both share a common interest in Disney Parks. They also both know George K. personally and attended a strategy session with him. Apparently both brothers came away unimpressed with George's capabilities. Spirit describes him as more sure of his brains than he should be, and someone who cares about guests secondary to profits. There was a falling out sometime after this lunch, and the brothers and George haven't spoken recently.
All of this sounds mighty believable. If the above story is where it ended, I would have no difficulty in believing the entire piece. But it doesn't end there. This is not a B level executive, so far down the org chart that the CEO would be pressed to know his name, asking a journalist to put him in contact with a media consultant. No, this then gets tied to the highest levels of the Walt Disney Company.
The biggest red flag with this story is the idea that Zenia Mucha is deeply involved with the PR of the division formerly known as Walt Disney Parks & Resorts. If I had to hazard a guess, Zenia may receive a weekly update from them on progress. In certain cases she really may dive in if there's an issue, but she probably cares about Parks and Resorts as much as Bob Iger- which is to say not very much. Her using the Disneyland fanbase to turn everyone against Eisner is difficult fathom. It seems even more strange that she would use Lutz to destroy Chapek when she has bigger things to worry about (#boycottmulan).
With that said, being honest, there could be something to her helping to depose Eisner. Zenia was head of corporate communications during Save Disney. During her tenure, some of the worst corporate communications ever to occur in the modern world happened. Like it's hard to describe how horribly the Save Disney stuff was handled. A GRASS ROOTS movement was able to unseat a storied CEO. It's ridiculous and bizarre. Yet who still sits by Iger's side? Zenia. One would think a terrible executive would have been eliminated, but instead she has sat loyally by his side for more than a decade. Why?
@TP2000 stuff just gets really odd. There's innuendo and threats happening at the Disneyland board right now. I really hope @TP2000 isn't a Zenia plant- I find him amusing and charming! Though in all honesty, it may actually make him more amusing and charming if he was part of a conspiracy. If anyone was, it would be TP!
One last thought... Would Eisner know the Snyders? And would Eisner hold a grudge against Iger for deposing him?
Just a thought...
Edit: I wanted to add that Spirit used to go by MSS on a different chat. MS are the initials for Michael Snyder. Coincidence?
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Matt7187
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Wait wait wait, I really hope I did not read this part correctly.
TP2000
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@TP2000 stuff just gets really odd. There's innuendo and threats happening at the Disneyland board right now. I really hope @TP2000 isn't a Zenia plant- I find him amusing and charming! Though in all honesty, it may actually make him more amusing and charming if he was part of a conspiracy. If anyone was, it would be TP!
That's so sweet, and that's exactly the way I plan to play this. I may invest in some dark Raybans to wear to Disneyland.
I just have to learn how to pronounce Zenia Mucha, and then I'll be off and running!
I don’t believe it. But Disney knows no bounds. They’re also clearing land behind the Africa huts for a new pavilion right now. Maybe it’s Brazil. But it’s very obvious a new pavilion is coming so speculate away. Nothing is too insane now, that’s for sure.
Snow Queen
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I believe that's Atlanta, which is probably a Fox-produced show.
Matt7187
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For the execs watching this thread now, please, for the love of all things holy, do not add Wakanda to Epcot you savages.
HhhhhhMMMmmm
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doctornick
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WDW1974 has said on occasions that he knows Eisner personally
Animaniac93-98
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My heart goes out to the site's mods who will wake up to two threads of this mess tomorrow morning.
PeoplemoverTTA
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That’s partially why I don’t want to go to bed...all the good stuff will be gone by the time I wake up
doctornick
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Well, you can add it to Epcot... in Future Showcase, as a premise for presenting new technologies.
But World Showcase... yuck.