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[Ralphlaw]

Okay, I'm back. Let's be realistic. Closing EE now would gut the park, and there's not enough else there to keep the attendance numbers up. So, they wait, keeping it in B mode until Avatar is up and running and keeping attendance high while a long refurb brings EE up to what it should be.

The yeti is big, heavy, and potentially dangerous if something goes wrong. That arm could literally kill dozens of people if it fell on speeding riders, and the lawyers would literally wins millions if not billions of dollars if that were to happen. The shutdown will presumably fix that, but doing so right now makes no sense when an entire new Avatarland is about to open. I very strongly feel that EE goes down for a several month refurb about 6 months to a year after Avatar opens. Let's wait to see if I'm right or not.

 

[Incomudro]

Nope.... a great park would keep them there longer. Not a two minutes long, slightly above average roller coaster.

It is far from a slightly above average roller coaster.

 

[Doug Means]

It's been taken out twice already. Do you remember them shutting down EE for it? I don't.



Disagree all you want, but facts are facts. Too many people are "okay" with the ride as is. Financially why would Disney ever want to spend money to fix something that the public does not see as broken?

Because they spent so much money up front for it to begin with. who ever buys something expensive that doesn't work and then says "its no big deal" no you want your moneys worth. though Disney makes a lot of money because of the ride the way it is doesn't mean they couldn't make a lot more if it was right. i cannot believe they'd sit there and say, "ok we've spent X amount of money for this GREAT yeti, but i'm good with it not working"

come on really?

 

[danyoung56]

It is far from a slightly above average roller coaster.

That you for that - I was just about to chime in with the same thing.

 

[danyoung56]

i cannot believe they'd sit there and say, "ok we've spent X amount of money for this GREAT yeti, but i'm good with it not working"

You preach it, brother, and I'll turn the pages!

 

[Incomudro]

That you for that - I was just about to chime in with the same thing.

Certainly!
Look, if we stripped away everything, all the theming than we can argue it's a slightly above average roller coaster.
But, we could use that argument for virtually every experience in Disney.
Strip away the theming, and just run the skeletons - and the bones of most Disney rides, heck even restaurants, shops etc. would be slightly above average.
Strip away the theming of Typhoon Lagoon or Blizzard Beach, and replace the slides with exposed slides.
Strip away the theming of Tower of Terror and put a bare bones free fall in its place...
It's the theming that makes the attraction.
And, not just the indicidual attraction itself - but the entire experience.

 

[danyoung56]

For me it's a matter of what I like, and what I can stand to ride. There are many roller coasters in the world that are far more extreme than EE. But I have absolutely no interest in riding them. As coasters go, EE is my favorite on the planet - it's just extreme enough for me. Add in the incredible theming and you have a total winner, at least for me!

 

[G00fyDad]

Because they spent so much money up front for it to begin with. who ever buys something expensive that doesn't work and then says "its no big deal" no you want your moneys worth. though Disney makes a lot of money because of the ride the way it is doesn't mean they couldn't make a lot more if it was right. i cannot believe they'd sit there and say, "ok we've spent X amount of money for this GREAT yeti, but i'm good with it not working"

come on really?

Yes. Really. They are a company like any other. Show me where they stand to make more money from a working Yeti (Keep in mind I want it working too) and then I will buy your scenario. As long as John Q. Public is unaware of a problem they are going to spend money elsewhere for a positive ROI. Fixing the Yeti would have a negligible effect on ticket sales. Sorry, but there it is. I want the thing working as much as anyone here, but I am also a realist.

 

[Doug Means]

Yes. Really. They are a company like any other. Show me where they stand to make more money from a working Yeti (Keep in mind I want it working too) and then I will buy your scenario. As long as John Q. Public is unaware of a problem they are going to spend money elsewhere for a positive ROI. Fixing the Yeti would have a negligible effect on ticket sales. Sorry, but there it is. I want the thing working as much as anyone here, but I am also a realist.

well i just don't agree, i believe if it worked, ticket sales to the park would go up. More important though the people that are already coming would stay in the park longer to ride it more than they do now. how does that help, concessions, souvenirs, and other small money makers will make more. But i will stick to the fact that the original cost of the yeti is incentive enough for them to want it to work, the anticipation of it being one of the best effects ever if it works...these along with the money makes me believe they want it to work. thank goodness we can disagree and still be civil!

 

[Master Yoda]

well i just don't agree, i believe if it worked, ticket sales to the park would go up. More important though the people that are already coming would stay in the park longer to ride it more than they do now. how does that help, concessions, souvenirs, and other small money makers will make more. But i will stick to the fact that the original cost of the yeti is incentive enough for them to want it to work, the anticipation of it being one of the best effects ever if it works...these along with the money makes me believe they want it to work. thank goodness we can disagree and still be civil!

I disagree with your disagreement and here is why.

Outside of the initial surge you get when an attraction first opens up, the number of people riding E:E is the same today as when the Yeti was operating. It might actually be higher as I believe that added an additional train the the circuit a few months after opening. It is rarely to never a walk on and always has a fairly consistent 30 minute or greater wait.

That boils down to it operating at capacity. Even if fixing the yeti would increase demand, (it wont and I will get to that later) the ride can't handle any additional capacity.

Aside from maybe the 2% of uber fans like ourselves, the general public has no clue that there is anything wrong with the attraction. The train goes up a big hill, it comes back down and we all scream. That is all they care about and all they see.

To drive the point home that most people do not notice the yeti, just dig back into the WDWMagic archives of when E:E first opened or any other E:E thread and notice the number of people that never even knew the yeti was there....moving or not.

To sum up, he is a big deal to us and next to unknown for the other 98% of the people that walk through the gates.

So where is the financial upside for Disney to spend a dime to fix an element of an attraction that operates at full capacity 24/7/365? The short answer...there is not one. The harsh reality is the number of people that do not go to AK because the Yeti is broken would probably not fill your average school bus.

I think the best we can hope for is for a repair to be mixed in with a refurb budget that will most likely come well after Pandora opens.

 

[marni1971]

It is far from a slightly above average roller coaster.

That's opinion. As mine is. Which are both fine

 

[Doug Means]

I disagree with your disagreement and here is why.

Outside of the initial surge you get when an attraction first opens up, the number of people riding E:E is the same today as when the Yeti was operating. It might actually be higher as I believe that added an additional train the the circuit a few months after opening. It is rarely to never a walk on and always has a fairly consistent 30 minute or greater wait.

That boils down to it operating at capacity. Even if fixing the yeti would increase demand, (it wont and I will get to that later) the ride can't handle an additional capacity.

Aside from maybe the 2% of uber fans like ourselves, the general public has no clue that there is anything wrong with the attraction. The train goes up a big hill, it comes back down and we all scream. That is all they care about and all they see.

To drive the point home that most people do not notice the yeti, just dig back into the WDWMagic archives of when E:E first opened or any other E:E thread and notice the number of people that never even knew the yeti was there....moving or not.

To sum up, he is a big deal to us and next to unknown for the other 98% of the people that walk through the gates.

So where is the financial upside for Disney to spend a dime to fix an element of an attraction that operates at full capacity 24/7/365? The short answer...there is not one. The harsh reality is the number of people that do not go to AK because the Yeti is broken would probably not fill your average school bus.

I think the best we can hope for is for a repair to be mixed in with a refurb budget that will most likely come well after Pandora opens.

i hope it gets fixed. for reason not real important on here the only time of the year i can go now is the last few weeks of June. The last 3 times i was at AK i rode EE more than 5 times on those days because the lines were incredibly short. IDK why exactly but they were. so, i feel like it working will help. i agree that with avatar coming and the night river show, there will be a better time to fix it. i hope they do. Also with the later times i'm hearing about, more and more people will get multiple rides. did you know that 82% of all stats are made up? so, with this being said, i'm not sure how many people know or care about the yeti, but i think its higher than reported in this thread. the rule of thumb before the internet was for any one person who wrote a letter to a company about some issue, there were 100 that thought the same way but haven't written or don't write in. i wonder how that works now with forums and Disney emails and such. i'll get back to just reading this thread for awhile, and i've been reading it for awhile now.

 

[MrHappy]

So where is the financial upside for Disney to spend a dime to fix an element of an attraction that operates at full capacity 24/7/365? The short answer...there is not one. The harsh reality is the number of people that do not go to AK because the Yeti is broken would probably not fill your average school bus.

Couldn't this be said for the upcoming Thunder Mtn refurb, particularly since it recently got a refurb? But I do agree that the Yeti not working bothers less people than this thread makes it appear.

The shutdown will presumably fix that, but doing so right now makes no sense when an entire new Avatarland is about to open. I very strongly feel that EE goes down for a several month refurb about 6 months to a year after Avatar opens. Let's wait to see if I'm right or not.

Agreed - at that point it would probably be due for a refurb and "upgrade" any way

 

[Master Yoda]

i hope it gets fixed. for reason not real important on here the only time of the year i can go now is the last few weeks of June. The last 3 times i was at AK i rode EE more than 5 times on those days because the lines were incredibly short. IDK why exactly but they were. so, i feel like it working will help. i agree that with avatar coming and the night river show, there will be a better time to fix it. i hope they do. Also with the later times i'm hearing about, more and more people will get multiple rides. did you know that 82% of all stats are made up? so, with this being said, i'm not sure how many people know or care about the yeti, but i think its higher than reported in this thread. the rule of thumb before the internet was for any one person who wrote a letter to a company about some issue, there were 100 that thought the same way but haven't written or don't write in. i wonder how that works now with forums and Disney emails and such. i'll get back to just reading this thread for awhile, and i've been reading it for awhile now.

I think it is the opposite for the internet. If 100 people complain about something only one really had a problem and the rest just want to pile on.

 

[Doug Means]

I think it is the opposite for the internet. If 100 people complain about something only one really had a problem and the rest just want to pile on.

funny but prob true

 

[Master Yoda]

Couldn't this be said for the upcoming Thunder Mtn refurb, particularly since it recently got a refurb? But I do agree that the Yeti not working bothers less people than this thread makes it appear.

Yes and no. Quite a bit of what happens in a refurb are behind the scenes stuff that actually causes rides to go down. If a problem affects capacity, you can bet the farm that problem will get priority.

Thankfully, there is still just enough of old Disney left to where a few cool things can get tacked onto those refurbs.

 

[Incomudro]

For me it's a matter of what I like, and what I can stand to ride. There are many roller coasters in the world that are far more extreme than EE. But I have absolutely no interest in riding them. As coasters go, EE is my favorite on the planet - it's just extreme enough for me. Add in the incredible theming and you have a total winner, at least for me!

Same for me.
I was at Six Flags NJ this past summer and rode Nitro and Kinda Ka.
Both far more extreme than anything WDW has.
I certainly enjoyed them, but for my taste not nearly as much as I enjoy EE with or without the functioning Yet.
EE is a journey. I love the way The entire process from entering the park, to approaching the Asia, to entering the cue to riding the coaster to exiting the coaster is a series of steps.
Even the ride itself is a series of steps, and a journey.

 

[danyoung56]

Look, I agree that fixing the yeti is in no way a priority for Disney. And I agree with others above that most people don't know that it even exists. But I still feel that there's a certain sense of pride among the Imagineers. And even if the business folks don't see it as important, within the Disney company I'm sure it's an embarrassment to them that they'd love to see rectified. I like the idea that after Avatar Land is up and running, the money would open up a bit and this thing'll finally be repaired.

 

[Master Yoda]

Look, I agree that fixing the yeti is in no way a priority for Disney. And I agree with others above that most people don't know that it even exists. But I still feel that there's a certain sense of pride among the Imagineers. And even if the business folks don't see it as important, within the Disney company I'm sure it's an embarrassment to them that they'd love to see rectified. I like the idea that after Avatar Land is up and running, the money would open up a bit and this thing'll finally be repaired.

This is quite correct, but they are not the ones doing the budget. If it was up solely to the Imagineers, E:E would have 7 yeti AAs, 23 miles of track with a ride time just under an hour.

 

[danyoung56]

Now there's a ride I'd love to ride!