Expedition Everest effects status watch

[Ralphlaw]

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Agreed - at that point it would probably be due for a refurb and "upgrade" any way[/QUOTE]

True, and I bet they'll have the yeti working once it reopens.

Also, I don't see EE as a classic thrill ride. It's not like the true gut-wrenching coasters and other agitators that thrill parks are filled with. It's a good ride that makes many people scream, but it's certainly not as adrenaline-rushing as Tower of Terror or Rock and Roller. The yeti made it special--an unseen monster that is built up and then reaches out to grab you.

You ride the coaster again just to get a better glimpse of the yeti. Few people, of course, do that now. When the yeti was working, I rode it 5 times in one day. Since the yeti went down, I've ridden only 2 or 3 times. Meanwhile, I've only ridden R&R and TofT a grand total of 3 times each.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I want to point out to the people who keep saying "But it has been removed twice already!"...

I get it, but removing it twice already doesn't mean the problem can be fixed just by removing it and then reinstalling it.. The AA itself is not the issue... The fix requires a full shutdown of the ride and time to make the fix... I would assume the AA was removed so they could inspect and do research on what fixes they could implement...

Whatever the fix is, they need a full ride shutdown and refurbishment. Which EE has not gotten....

 

[G00fyDad]

I want to point out to the people who keep saying "But it has been removed twice already!"...

I get it, but removing it twice already doesn't mean the problem can be fixed just by removing it and then reinstalling it.. The AA itself is not the issue... The fix requires a full shutdown of the ride and time to make the fix... I would assume the AA was removed so they could inspect and do research on what fixes they could implement...

Whatever the fix is, they need a full ride shutdown and refurbishment. Which EE has not gotten....

And you know this is a fact despite what insiders here have reported how??

 

[Ralphlaw]

It makes the most logical sense under all these facts to conclude that the fix is not easy. It is highly improbable that an easy fix is shunned because of some insidious and uncaring bean-counters. Rumors fly. Theories emerge. But a common sense look points to the conclusion that some kind of long and involved shutdown will be needed, and said shutdown is being delayed until Avatar is up and running. Yeah, there are other rumors and theories, but they seem far far less likely. Ergo, I believe that it'll be a long shutdown. Feel free to disagree, but, again, I would bet real money that the above scenario is the right one.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Martin has stated multiple times that a solution to the problem has been ready to implement for quite a while now and would not require the ride to close. That excuse doesn't fly.

I don't know why it's so unthinkable to some that it's a budget issue. We're at the point where even simple and inexpensive maintenance at WDW is being ignored. Things that remain unaddressed for months or years like burned out light bulbs, surfaces caked with dirt, mold or chipped/faded paint (I spotted a chunk of the ceiling on a Peoplemover tunnel that was torn open or rotting a month ago). Even bathroom cleanliness has noticeably declined in the past couple of years.

Basic effects such as projectors and even simpler animatronics are commonly left broken for months or years. Third shift work on many effects seems to range from cripplingly limited to nonexistent. The Land has had broken AA's for at least a year (they're already very basic). Big Thunder has had persistent issues with the interior lift effects and town animatronics for many years (at least prior to 2010). Two out of the four 3D movies are dark and blurry, and Soarin has been a hideous mess for 5+ years, only just now being taken down for work.

Those are all issues that should be (and from 1971 into the 1990's, used to be) caught and dealt with overnight. They aren't supposed to be ignored until upper execs approve a larger refurbishment (which themselves don't happen as often nowadays and commonly reopen without fixing effects). When Disney World can't keep even keep the simplest and most basic things working and looking good consistently on a day-to-day basis, there's an obvious issue with money. It's easy to see what the holdup is, even had Martin not told us outright.

 

[G00fyDad]

Martin has stated multiple times that a solution to the problem has been ready to implement for quite a while now and would not require the ride to close. That excuse doesn't fly.

I don't know why it's so unthinkable to some that it's a budget issue. We're at the point where even simple and inexpensive maintenance at WDW is being ignored. Things that remain unaddressed for months or years like burned out light bulbs, surfaces caked with dirt, mold or chipped/faded paint (I spotted a chunk of the ceiling on a Peoplemover tunnel that was torn open or rotting a month ago). Even bathroom cleanliness has noticeably declined in the past couple of years.

Basic effects such as projectors and even simpler animatronics are commonly left broken for months or years. Third shift work on many effects seems to range from cripplingly limited to nonexistent. The Land has had broken AA's for at least a year (they're already very basic). Big Thunder has had persistent issues with the interior lift effects and town animatronics for many years (at least prior to 2010). Two out of the four 3D movies are dark and blurry, and Soarin has been a hideous mess for 5+ years, only just now being taken down for work.

Those are all issues that should be (and from 1971 into the 1990's, used to be) caught and dealt with overnight. They aren't supposed to be ignored until upper execs approve a larger refurbishment (which themselves don't happen as often and commonly reopen without fixing effects). When Disney World can't keep even keep the simplest and most basic things working and looking good consistently on a day-to-day basis, there's an obvious issue with money. It's easy to see what the holdup is, even had Martin not told us outright.

^^^THIS!!

Preach it!

 

[Cesar R M]

It makes the most logical sense under all these facts to conclude that the fix is not easy. It is highly improbable that an easy fix is shunned because of some insidious and uncaring bean-counters. Rumors fly. Theories emerge. But a common sense look points to the conclusion that some kind of long and involved shutdown will be needed, and said shutdown is being delayed until Avatar is up and running. Yeah, there are other rumors and theories, but they seem far far less likely. Ergo, I believe that it'll be a long shutdown. Feel free to disagree, but, again, I would bet real money that the above scenario is the right one.

Your point falls apart when you take into consideration how bad Pirates was before they finally did the refurb.
or the issues like the lights on the outside area of the Grand Floridan.

or the other issues @MerlinTheGoat mentioned.

 

[Ralphlaw]

A mediocre pirates attraction at MK, with so many headliners, and lighting issues at GF pale by comparison to the importance of AK's headline attraction. Again, anything other than the need for a major shutdown makes no sense.

 

[Cesar R M]

A mediocre pirates attraction at MK, with so many headliners, and lighting issues at GF pale by comparison to the importance of AK's headline attraction. Again, anything other than the need for a major shutdown makes no sense.

Pirates is one of the headlines of Mk, you like it or not.
It was also one of the biggest people eaters of MK.. which says a lot about maintenance priorities from Disney.

 

[Doug Means]

Pirates is one of the headlines of Mk, you like it or not.
It was also one of the biggest people eaters of MK.. which says a lot about maintenance priorities from Disney.

whats a people eater?

 

[danyoung56]

A people eater, in this instance, is an attraction that can load a lot of people fast. Pirates is a people eater - Dumbo is not.

 

[Master Yoda]

whats a people eater?

Any attraction with a high guest per hour capacity. This would include attraction like HM, POTC, SSE, etc.

 

[Ralphlaw]

Pirates is one of the headlines of Mk, you like it or not.
It was also one of the biggest people eaters of MK.. which says a lot about maintenance priorities from Disney.

Other headliners at MK include Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder, and (for reasons unfathomable to me) Peter Pan. At the next level are Haunted Mansion, Buzz Lightyear, and Small World (for young families). AK has virtually none of these other people eaters by comparison.

Of course Pirates is very popular, especially when new movies come out, but my point was that EE is THE BIG THING at AK. If it goes down, AK becomes a shadow of itself.

Thus, B Mode EE continues because shutting it down prior to the opening of Avatar makes absolutely 100% zero sense. As is, it eats people, and keeps the park viable. Meanwhile, EE is also an underwhelming embarrassment because its multi-million dollar multi-ton element is in John Travolta mode.

Thus, again, the most likely scenario is a major shutdown after Avatar is up and running. No one can convince me that this isn't the most likely scenario because this scenario makes the most sense. Yeah, rumors and contradictions abound, but the most likely scenario in any conundrum is usually (far more often the not) the scenario that makes the most sense. Oh there may be insidious bean-counters and people who somehow are too lazy to fix the yeti, but that makes far less sense than the scenario as I've been stating it.

I'm starting to feel like the guys who type in at Sports Illustrated.com arguing about who will win the Super Bowl. Until the game is played, it's all pointless speculation. Time to get on with my life.

 

[danyoung56]

....the most likely scenario in any conundrum is usually (far more often the not) the scenario that makes the most sense....

Occam much?

 

[Incomudro]

Other headliners at MK include Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder, and (for reasons unfathomable to me) Peter Pan. At the next level are Haunted Mansion, Buzz Lightyear, and Small World (for young families). AK has virtually none of these other people eaters by comparison.

Of course Pirates is very popular, especially when new movies come out, but my point was that EE is THE BIG THING at AK. If it goes down, AK becomes a shadow of itself.

Thus, B Mode EE continues because shutting it down prior to the opening of Avatar makes absolutely 100% zero sense. As is, it eats people, and keeps the park viable. Meanwhile, EE is also an underwhelming embarrassment because its multi-million dollar multi-ton element is in John Travolta mode.

Thus, again, the most likely scenario is a major shutdown after Avatar is up and running. No one can convince me that this isn't the most likely scenario because this scenario makes the most sense. Yeah, rumors and contradictions abound, but the most likely scenario in any conundrum is usually (far more often the not) the scenario that makes the most sense. Oh there may be insidious bean-counters and people who somehow are too lazy to fix the yeti, but that makes far less sense than the scenario as I've been stating it.

I'm starting to feel like the guys who type in at Sports Illustrated.com arguing about who will win the Super Bowl. Until the game is played, it's all pointless speculation. Time to get on with my life.

Though I differ with some of what you said, essentially "yes" I agree with you.
While I happen to love AK, all of it really, EE down would be a crippling blow.
When my family enters AK, we make a beeline for the mountain.

 

[G00fyDad]

Though I differ with some of what you said, essentially "yes" I agree with you.
While I happen to love AK, all of it really, EE down would be a crippling blow.
When my family enters AK, we make a beeline for the mountain.

Why would they have to take the ride down? The Yeti comes out and goes in without shutting the ride down. Well, of course they cannot run the ride while they are actually removing and installing him. That would happen at night anyway. But EE can run, and has run with the Yeti out of the mountain before.

 

[Cesar R M]

Other headliners at MK include Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder, and (for reasons unfathomable to me) Peter Pan. At the next level are Haunted Mansion, Buzz Lightyear, and Small World (for young families). AK has virtually none of these other people eaters by comparison.

Of course Pirates is very popular, especially when new movies come out, but my point was that EE is THE BIG THING at AK. If it goes down, AK becomes a shadow of itself.

Thus, B Mode EE continues because shutting it down prior to the opening of Avatar makes absolutely 100% zero sense. As is, it eats people, and keeps the park viable. Meanwhile, EE is also an underwhelming embarrassment because its multi-million dollar multi-ton element is in John Travolta mode.

Thus, again, the most likely scenario is a major shutdown after Avatar is up and running. No one can convince me that this isn't the most likely scenario because this scenario makes the most sense. Yeah, rumors and contradictions abound, but the most likely scenario in any conundrum is usually (far more often the not) the scenario that makes the most sense. Oh there may be insidious bean-counters and people who somehow are too lazy to fix the yeti, but that makes far less sense than the scenario as I've been stating it.

I'm starting to feel like the guys who type in at Sports Illustrated.com arguing about who will win the Super Bowl. Until the game is played, it's all pointless speculation. Time to get on with my life.

you only get a like for the travolta comment.

 

[Incomudro]

Why would they have to take the ride down? The Yeti comes out and goes in without shutting the ride down. Well, of course they cannot run the ride while they are actually removing and installing him. That would happen at night anyway. But EE can run, and has run with the Yeti out of the mountain before.

Because fixing what needs to be fixed may be more than just a matter of getting the Yeti moving again.

 

[G00fyDad]

Because fixing what needs to be fixed may be more than just a matter of getting the Yeti moving again.

Ok. If you're talking about an entire ride refurbishment then that's one thing. I thought the comment was directed toward only taking the Yeti out to fix him and put him back in. That does not require a shutdown. But to refurbish the entire ride, yes, I can see that.

 

[Cesar R M]

Ok. If you're talking about an entire ride refurbishment then that's one thing. I thought the comment was directed toward only taking the Yeti out to fix him and put him back in. That does not require a shutdown. But to refurbish the entire ride, yes, I can see that.

I actually wonder. When was the last time Everest had a full refurb?