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danyoung56

danyoung56

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There's plenty of evidence that Disney has had bad periods in their maintenance programs. Look no further than the Columbia incident in DL, where a cleat pulled loose of some rotten boards and killed a guy (admittedly this catastrophe involved some poorly trained CMs who didn't follow proper docking procedures). Or look at the video of the Splash Mountain finale (don't know if it was DL or WDW) where all of the animatronics weren't working. AT ALL - just a bunch of big chickens and other barnyard animals standing there stock still! So yeah, I can believe that stuff breaks and doesn't get fixed. I'm just having a hard time believing that this incredibly high profile busted up yeti is totally easy to fix, but Disney doesn't fix it cuz of either money or cuz they just don't wanna. It makes no sense to me.
 
Master Yoda

Master Yoda

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danyoung56 said:
There's plenty of evidence that Disney has had bad periods in their maintenance programs. Look no further than the Columbia incident in DL, where a cleat pulled loose of some rotten boards and killed a guy (admittedly this catastrophe involved some poorly trained CMs who didn't follow proper docking procedures). Or look at the video of the Splash Mountain finale (don't know if it was DL or WDW) where all of the animatronics weren't working. AT ALL - just a bunch of big chickens and other barnyard animals standing there stock still! So yeah, I can believe that stuff breaks and doesn't get fixed. I'm just having a hard time believing that this incredibly high profile busted up yeti is totally easy to fix, but Disney doesn't fix it cuz of either money or cuz they just don't wanna. It makes no sense to me.
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Lets just say you drive a cab and the 12v outlet in the rear driver side does not work. It will cost $500 to fix it. It wont be too hard to fix, just swap out a $350 control board and 1 hour of labor.

However, no one ever uses the thing. The only reason you even know it does not work one fare out of the thousands you see every year tried to plug his cell phone into it and it did not work. Sure he complains about it from time to time, but every other fare you pick up could care less. Do you still drop the $500 to fix it?

Disney is in the same boat. They have a broken AA that while fixable, will cost a pretty penny to do so. 99% of the people that ride E:E don't even know it is broken. The ride still operates at operates 100% capacity 365 days a year so the Yeti being broken is not effecting their profit in the slightest. The only motivation there is for fixing it is good show.

Now do you see why they are not in a hurry to fix it, even if it can be done?
 
danyoung56

danyoung56

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Master Yoda, that's an interesting analogy, but sadly I don't agree with it. I think a lot more than 1% of the riders know about the broken Yeti. And it's such a high profile thing - just look at the articles in various newspapers around the country. And it's gone on for so long that it's a total embarrassment to Disney. That's what leads me to think that it's more than just an expensive fix - it's a freakin' MAJOR expensive fix. To me that's the only thing that makes sense.
 
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barkerbird

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danyoung56 said:
There's plenty of evidence that Disney has had bad periods in their maintenance programs. Look no further than the Columbia incident in DL, where a cleat pulled loose of some rotten boards and killed a guy (admittedly this catastrophe involved some poorly trained CMs who didn't follow proper docking procedures). Or look at the video of the Splash Mountain finale (don't know if it was DL or WDW) where all of the animatronics weren't working. AT ALL - just a bunch of big chickens and other barnyard animals standing there stock still! So yeah, I can believe that stuff breaks and doesn't get fixed. I'm just having a hard time believing that this incredibly high profile busted up yeti is totally easy to fix, but Disney doesn't fix it cuz of either money or cuz they just don't wanna. It makes no sense to me.
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Each attraction malfunction involving AAs has a code. Every single AA is either a 1 or 2 figure. With 1 being important, and 2 being secondary. Let's take Pirates for example. Captain Jack Sparrow is a 1, and the hairy leg pirate is a 2. If Jack Sparrow starts malfunctioning, the ride is stopped and that figure will need a repair immediately. Any other figure can potentially wait until after hours, depending on the issue. Sometimes these malfunctions are not reported, many times they are by guests. The maintanence teams are usually on top of these cases. It's easy for guests to get a quick video of a ride not working properly, but most of the time it's taken care of quickly.
 
Wikkler

Wikkler

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Orville said:
Each attraction malfunction involving AAs has a code. Every single AA is either a 1 or 2 figure. With 1 being important, and 2 being secondary. Let's take Pirates for example. Captain Jack Sparrow is a 1, and the hairy leg pirate is a 2. If Jack Sparrow starts malfunctioning, the ride is stopped and that figure will need a repair immediately. Any other figure can potentially wait until after hours, depending on the issue. Sometimes these malfunctions are not reported, many times they are by guests. The maintanence teams are usually on top of these cases. It's easy for guests to get a quick video of a ride not working properly, but most of the time it's taken care of quickly.
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So the Yeti is a 2? :cautious:
 
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Ralphlaw

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The most logical explanation is that it will take a major shutdown to fix it and a short fix will jeopardize the possibility of a full major fix.

With that being said, I rode it this week and even the projection of the yeti ripping out the tracks was off. No bird at all. No steam. And disco yeti to boot. Overall, the exchange student I was riding with thought it was ok, but didn't really feel like riding it again. Going backwards was the big thing for him on this ride. But if all the stuff was working, and a giant hairy yeti had swept down on him, I guarantee he would have been booking another fastpass for later in the week.

The current EE is not not not not what anyone wants, Disney absolutely has to have the plans already set to shut it down for a major rehab. I see EE being shut down for a major rehaul about 6 months after Avatar opens. Maybe I'm wrong, but this makes the most sense.
 
KeithVH

KeithVH

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LAKid53 said:
This thread is still going on, 7 years and 113 pages later?! :confused:
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You know, when this popped up, I was thinking the same thing. Besides great minds thinking alike, if the age of this issue doesn't give anyone a clue as to the relative concern TDO has about fixing it, then no number of rumors or facts are going to sway the discussion.
 
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Ralphlaw

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No, can't see 7 years and 113 pages dedicated to a hairy legged pirate. I'd bet money that a major fix comes after Avatar opens. Also, note how crowded each park other than AK was over the holidays. Wait times in excess of 2 hours for the e-tickets at each of the other 3 parks. MK had a partial closure, and Studios apparently ran out of parking space. Epcot was wall to wall people on New Year's eve, with long lines virtually everywhere for most of the entire week beforehand.

Yet at AK, it wasn't so bad. There's room for more guests, and it's headliner, EE, wasn't pulling them in. Why? Because its most unique and amazing feature is barely seen. Face it, AK is still a partial day park for most people, but a truly super EE would not only keep guests there longer, thousands more would be showing up everyday. And guests might book an extra day in the hotels to justify a full AK day. And guests would buy far more merch and eat far more meals on property.

A broken EE is the definition of lost opportunity for cashflow and profits, yet some on this thread want us to believe that Disney doesn't care. Of course they care, but they won't shut it down until Avatar is up and running,. A mediocre EE is better than no EE given the relative mediocrity of the rest of the park right now. Dinosaur is cool, but who rides it more than once? Festival of the Lion King is great, but nobody thinks of going twice. The actual animals are wonderful, but not much different from many zoos around the world. Kali is basically the same as dozens of other splash rides, only with good theming. Bug, Dinoland and Nemo are nice, but hardly headlining. Face it, without EE, AK is not that awe-inspiring, and with a mediocre EE, the park attendance surely suffers.

Of course, there's no way to prove this, but logic and common sense surely point to this syllogism:
1. EE would take a serious shutdown to fix.
2. A fully working EE would pull in great crowds and be very profitable for the company.
3. A mediocre EE is good, but a non-EE Animal Kingdom is a very mediocre park.
4. ERGO: Disney will continue with mediocre EE until the time is ripe for a full shutdown.
5. The opening of Avatar will ripen the time for the shutdown.
6. Until Avatar opens, mediocre EE will still help bring in enough guests to keep AK from being irrelevant.

Just to prove the point, it's 3:30 on January 3rd, and each of the other 3 parks has at least 2 attractions with 60+ minute waits. At AK it's 45 minutes for EE, while Kilimanjaro and Dinosaur lead the rest of the pack with 10 minutes. Meanwhile, the electricity is still on and hundreds of CMs are working there. A great EE would keep guests there. While the thrill-seekers wait to ride EE again, the rest of the family rides something else, goes shopping, or grabs a snack. A medicore EE is a ride-once-and-leave moment. And leave they do, with plenty of money still jingling in their pockets. And plenty of other potential guests not even bothering to show up at all.
 
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PizzaPlanet

PizzaPlanet

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Ralphlaw said:
No, can't see 7 years and 113 pages dedicated to a hairy legged pirate. I'd bet money that a major fix comes after Avatar opens. Also, note how crowded each park other than AK was over the holidays. Wait times in excess of 2 hours for the e-tickets at each of the other 3 parks. MK had a partial closure, and Studios apparently ran out of parking space. Epcot was wall to wall people on New Year's eve, with long lines virtually everywhere for most of the entire week beforehand.

Yet at AK, it wasn't so bad. There's room for more guests, and it's headliner, EE, wasn't pulling them in. Why? Because its most unique and amazing feature is barely seen. Face it, AK is still a partial day park for most people, but a truly super EE would not only keep guests there longer, thousands more would be showing up everyday. And guests might book an extra day in the hotels to justify a full AK day. And guests would buy far more merch and eat far more meals on property.

A broken EE is the definition of lost opportunity for cashflow and profits, yet some on this thread want us to believe that Disney doesn't care. Of course they care, but they won't shut it down until Avatar is up and running,. A mediocre EE is better than no EE given the relative mediocrity of the rest of the park right now. Dinosaur is cool, but who rides it more than once? Festival of the Lion King is great, but nobody thinks of going twice. The actual animals are wonderful, but not much different from many zoos around the world. Kali is basically the same as dozens of other splash rides, only with good theming. Bug, Dinoland and Nemo are nice, but hardly headlining. Face it, without EE, AK is not that awe-inspiring, and with a mediocre EE, the park attendance surely suffers.

Of course, there's no way to prove this, but logic and common sense surely point to this syllogism:
1. EE would take a serious shutdown to fix.
2. A fully working EE would pull in great crowds and be very profitable for the company.
3. A mediocre EE is good, but a non-EE Animal Kingdom is a very mediocre park.
4. ERGO: Disney will continue with mediocre EE until the time is ripe for a full shutdown.
5. The opening of Avatar will ripen the time for the shutdown.
6. Until Avatar opens, mediocre EE will still help bring in enough guests to keep AK from being irrelevant.

Just to prove the point, it's 3:30 on January 3rd, and each of the other 3 parks has at least 2 attractions with 60+ minute waits. At AK it's 45 minutes for EE, while Kilimanjaro and Dinosaur lead the rest of the pack with 10 minutes. Meanwhile, the electricity is still on and hundreds of CMs are working there. A great EE would keep guests there. While the thrill-seekers wait to ride EE again, the rest of the family rides something else, goes shopping, or grabs a snack. A medicore EE is a ride-once-and-leave moment. And leave they do, with plenty of money still jingling in their pockets. And plenty of other potential guests not even bothering to show up at all.
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As part of a big update, I'd like to see them turn the lights on inside of the mountain and put in an actual show scene with ice caves and lots of theming.
 
EagleScout610

EagleScout610

These cats can PLAAAAAYYYYY
Premium Member
Some updates i'd like to see in E:E
  • Updated yeti temple lights and new effect
  • MIST
  • Possibly smaller yeti AA in the backwards drop. He could claw at your train, making it seem more narrow of an escape
  • Shadow updated
  • Yeti back in A Mode
 
KeithVH

KeithVH

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If we're going to fix it, why not a snocone dispenser on the Yeti?
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